George, Thanks, this is all useful information. Do you happen to know what a Braille display would show if the edit fields were not populated to begin with? Tink. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 17 August 2005 18:09 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille displays and web forms. Hi Tink, In Word 2003, when you tab to a populated form field, the text is automatically highlighted. Unless you hit a navigation key like an arrow, end or home first, the text will be cleared. You can also "Reset" the form to clear all fields if you wish. Oddly enough, only today I sorted out a form for someone, hence it's fresh in mind. George. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson > Sent: 17 August 2005 17:28 > To: Access UK; Jaws UK; Window Eyes; bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Braille displays and web forms. > > Good afternoon, > > Apologies for the cross post. Hoping some refreshable > Braille display users can help with the following... > > > If a form on a web page contains an edit box, and the > edit box doesn't have any place holding text already in it, > can a person using only Braille with their screen reader detect that > the edit box is present? > > It's been suggested that unless some text is already > given in the box, perhaps, "Enter your name here", then the > box isn't detectable. > > The second part of my enquiry, if the above suggestion > holds true, is whether a space entered into the box would make any > difference to the detection of the edit box. > > To give all this some context, we're trying to find a > solution that works for audio and Braille feedback screen reader > users. All too often, when information is entered into > an edit box that already contains some text, the two get combined and > you end up with something like, "Enter your name > here John Smith". > > There are JavaScript solutions that automatically delete the existing > text from the box, when the user tabs to > it, but if you are one of the estimated 10% of Internet users > without JavaScript, this doesn't help. > > The next idea was to do away with using any place holding text in an > edit box all together, which is when the > possibility of Braille users not being able to identify edit > boxes was brought up. > > > Hope you'll be able to help, these solutions are usually all the > better for actually talking to the people using these technologies. > *Smile. > > Thanks, > Tink. > -- > http://www.tink.co.uk/ > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq