[access-uk] Re: Doping a guide dog?
- From: "Peter Logue" <plsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:35:58 -0000
Hi Derek,
To me, forward meant down to the ticket booth, then to the right, then to
the right again. Ernie has done this through habit over the last two years.
From the sound of the train it was on a far platform and about halfway down
the track. Sounded like there were two trains on platform 2, as there often
is. Or it was on platform 3. In either case the first move is straight down
to the doors of the ticket booth, so off we go. 7 steps later I was off the
edge. Not Ernie, just me. I call it inertia. I don't know if he walked me to
the edge, or skirted an obstacle and took me too close to the edge. I'd call
this whole episode inexperience if anything. Ernie is fast. I like fast and
this is where accidents can create learning experiences. Slow down! I've
been told before. What gets me is why Ernie walked to that edge... His habit
is to head for the ticket booth. I'm not totally satisfied that someone
didn't slip him a pill, or he didn't find one on the pavement. He wasn't
right in the pub, on the way home, or any time that evening.
As to drinking with a guide dog. I don't see any harm in 1 or 2.
PS. Derek, if you can fall off the edge of a curb on your right side. Be
careful of those train station platforms. Because that could have been
exactly what happened to me.
Regards
Peter Logue
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Derek Hornby
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:23 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Doping a guide dog?
Barry says:
" I'd be speaking quite forcefully to your trainer.
Your pup needs a bit of work on his right shoulder work here."
Not if the details Peter posted are correct.
Here is what peter did say:
*quote*
"The train is dead ahead so I tell my guide dog ... Forward Ernie, find the
door.
He moves forward and walks me right off the platform and I go crashing right
onto the tracks. Apparently Ernie had seen the doors alright, but the doors
he saw were on the train of the far platform, not any train dead ahead."
*end of quote*
If the edge of the platform was straight ahead, and if the guide dog owner
was to fall over that ege of platform, how come thee is no mention of the
dog going over as well?
As the dog is a step ahead of the blind person, the blind person would not
go over first, or alone, if both dog and blind person facing same way.
What should happen, as those with guide dog will know, if the dog is told to
go forward at edge of a platform, it should swing over to the right, ie
accords the blind person, so the dog is then on the side near the edge of
platform.
Was there room for the dog to turn right?
I feel it's unfair to blame the dog automatically when things go wrong.
I sometimes fall over kerbs, when kerb is on my right side, but I accept
this as my fault as I have bad walking balance problem.
One last point that I think should also be taken into account.
If we accept drink (alcohol) and driving, is wrong, (not safe) should we
accept drinking (alcohol) and using guide dog is also risky.
Just as a a driver needs to have clear head to drive safely,
I suggest guide dog owners also needa clear head to use thier dogs
safely.
Regards, Derek
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