Damon, this was very well spotted and thank you for letting us know. This is going to be brilliant not only when I am searching for material, but when training people how to use the internet it will make a huge difference.
Certainly Window-Eyes gives you the ability as well to move by heading, and in both products you can bring up a list of headings. I cannot remember about Supernova/Hal, and I have just uninstalled it from the computer onto which I had it installed so cannot check right now. Unfortunately Webbie (used with Thunder) has no regard for headings whatsoever.
I always think the use of headings is very good for allowing a person to bypass information people do not wish to read.
Again, thanks. Brian Hartgen MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx SKYPE: brianhartgen SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186 SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Google is more accessible from today
I dunno Adrian. I think it could be argued that each result is a kind of sub heading with details about it underneath. How else can you suggest being able to skim a page in quite such a stylish and simple way? Shouldn't all screenreaders buy into this H thing? If there's a better quicker way then I'd be really interested to know more. With you on misuse of markup though, the BBC search site is not so hot with it. Cheers -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Higginbotham Sent: 15 November 2006 13:51 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Google is more accessible from today Certainly it makes skimming through results easier for this user but is it an improvement to accessibility or just a confluence by design or miss-fortune of one feature within one popular screenreading product and the semantics of a single website. To my mind tailoring your Website to fit with the functionality with one, or a small number of specific products is not accessibility. What about users of systems or technologies that don't have the ability to use that particular feature. The purpose of international standards and specifications, or guidance such as the WAI WCAG guidelines is that accessibility can be implemented in a way that is technology independent. I'd rather see assistive technology venders make their product conform with wcag guidance than websites that adapt to the functions of the products. Headings should be used for structural mark-up which arguably this is not. Use a header to identify the beginning of the search results section by all means but rely on the Links from that point onward. Adrian Higginbotham Project manager, Standards British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Becta switchboard 02476-416994. Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/ BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 15 November 2006 12:03 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Google is more accessible from today Hi all. Have you noticed that Google is more accessible from today? When it returns your search results, each result is a heading. So, with jaws for instance, you can just whip thru them quickly using the letter H or do insert-F6 to bring up the list of headings. This gets my accessibility of the year award 2006 because it significantly decreases my research time on search engines. Give it a go. I'd be interested to hear your feedback and it's the kind of thing I'd like to share with the BBC's accessibility gurus. A small thing like this can really make a difference. 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