Don't know if anyone heard the interesting item on yesterdays You and Yours, but it tackled the vexing and often exspensive problem, of automated phone systems and a guy in America who has come up with a list of work arounds to beat many of the systems. (US based info of course, but some of it apllicable hear too.) To hear the Y & Y feature go to: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/youandyours/ram/2005_49_mon_01.ram The Beeb couldn't come up with the website of the guy, Paul English, who was being interviewed, but I've found it at: http://paulenglish.com/ivr/info.html His views of phone automation are very balanced, as he does point out that there are legit uses for it. Might be worth a look and to try some of the work arounds if you are interested. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq