[access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with Voice guidance
- From: william lomas <will.d.lomas@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:39:18 +0000
talkback comes in built
and yes it is accessible not as polished as IOS, no, but certainly usable
On 19 Mar 2012, at 11:25, Alistair wrote:
> Hi Vince, is android 4 accessible? I know there are add onn/apps such as
> shcpiel and talkback as well as mobile accessibility but does Android 4 come
> pre-loaded with a voiceover type app?
>
> Cheers
>
> Alistair
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Thacker"
> <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:47 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with Voice guidance
>
>
>> I've heard of a Samsung Android TV being on its way. I don't have many
>> details yet, but let's hope that this gizmo has a grown-up selection of
>> accessibility features. There's no reason why it shouldn't have now we have
>> Android version 4.
>>
>> I have a bit of a history of dealing with Panasonic, and am not at all
>> surprised if some of their products aren't all they're cracked up to be. No
>> doubt the promotion of these things will be flawless, but buyer beware.
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick"
>> <the.big.white.shepherd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:22 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with Voice guidance
>>
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> I agree with you if the goodmans box went out to the sited market they
>>> would very quickly tell goodmans where to stick it.
>>>
>>> It is unstable crashes at least once a day, the voices are very bad and
>>> not very responsive, and in spite of being told it could be updated over
>>> the air there have been no updates.
>>>
>>> We should be grateful because it sort of talks it doesn't really matter if
>>> it is a pile of rubbish as long as it speaks a bit no I am sorry folks I
>>> agree with John I bought 2 of these boxes and Me and My girl friend have
>>> the same problems as I have described I wonder how many more of us are
>>> putting up with this sort of poor performance from the goodmans box.
>>>
>>> I am interested in the Panasonic TV but it will have to be a whole lot
>>> better than the rnib's last effort.
>>>
>>> On 19/03/2012 09:23, john coley wrote:
>>>> Hi Yusuf, the only thing updatable on the Goodmans is the channels. The
>>>> system isn't updatable. I can't see how the Panasonic would be any
>>>> different. Sure, they may improve at some future time, although I very
>>>> much doubt it, but it wouldn't be a case of simply installing a firmware
>>>> update, but buying the updated model.
>>>> As far as the RNIB side of the equation goes, if the Goodmans is
>>>> anything to go by they don't stick with products and improve them, they
>>>> just pat themselves on the back and move on to the next project. Did
>>>> they specifically tell you the TV was user updatable?
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yusuf" <yusufaosman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with Voice guidance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure it can be updated whether that's over the internet or via the
>>>>> aerial, like the Goodmans, I couldn't say.
>>>>> Yusuf
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18/03/2012 20:43, Jim Williams wrote:
>>>>>> Yusuf,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it can be connected to the Internet maybe there is
>>>>>> potential for upgrading settings via the web at a later
>>>>>> date?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Williams
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yusuf
>>>>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 20:38
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with Voice
>>>>>> guidance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Steve, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say.
>>>>>> Its akin to
>>>>>> how you look at a half filled glass of drink, is it half
>>>>>> full or half empty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know the answer to your first question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second and third are sort of linked and the answer is
>>>>>> yes. When I
>>>>>> was testing the TV at RNIB, they had connected an external
>>>>>> USB drive and
>>>>>> I was able to successfully set up something to record and
>>>>>> access
>>>>>> programs that had been previously recorded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's considerable scope for development, but in my view
>>>>>> its a good start.
>>>>>> Yusuf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/03/2012 20:12, Steve Hyde-Dryden wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Yusuf,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, whilst I agree with your sentiment, it is a really
>>>>>> great leap forward to incorporate voice guidance on their
>>>>>> new range, it is an oversight not to include the facility
>>>>>> for the main operating system of the telly. It can be
>>>>>> alikened to the Sky Talker which is very good and a step
>>>>>> forward but it doesn't take you all the way. The thing is
>>>>>> though that we are all virtually stabbing in the dark as
>>>>>> only a couple of people have really had the chance to try it
>>>>>> out in some detail. So, could I ask you a couple of
>>>>>> questions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 Can you change inputs easily? Example, HDMI to
>>>>>> Composite or PC? Can you get the voice on this?
>>>>>>> 2 I presume that it wouldn't read data on an SD card or
>>>>>> USB?
>>>>>>> 3 If you can access the EPG, the guy giving the talk on
>>>>>> Insight said you can use your own media storage and record,
>>>>>> can you get the speech with this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yusuf
>>>>>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 19:57
>>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV with
>>>>>> Voice guidance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hang on a minute here. I was one of the testers and I did
>>>>>> suggest making the various other menus accessible. I'm sure
>>>>>> the RNIB were doing the same thing. But we can't make
>>>>>> Panasonic do it. The fact they went through user testing is
>>>>>> a pretty positive step I would have thought.
>>>>>>> Since the law isn't in place to make companies make all
>>>>>> their products accessible from the outset, its a matter of
>>>>>> working with them and persuading them that its in their
>>>>>> interests to make them accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure the TV has its limitations and sure you can
>>>>>> legitimately argue that it has accessibility drawbacks. But
>>>>>> it wasn't that long ago that you couldn't turn on voice over
>>>>>> as a blind person on your own. Apple changed that and now
>>>>>> you can. Whose to say that Panasonic won't do the same
>>>>>> thing, and improve their products accessibility as time goes
>>>>>> by.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying that anyone should go and by it, or they
>>>>>> shouldn't, just that we should take into account what the TV
>>>>>> does as well as what it doesn't do. In my view the voice is
>>>>>> better than the one on the Smart Talk, its a smoother
>>>>>> experience, the responsiveness is better, we obviously have
>>>>>> access to channel info, audiodescription info and, this is a
>>>>>> winner from my perspective, recording and playback options.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I do recognise that not being able to access the TVs
>>>>>> own menus, including scanning for channels and setting up
>>>>>> the TTS independently are drawbacks, as is the inability to
>>>>>> access the various web features.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is a step forward, I don't think we've ever had 30 tVs
>>>>>> with TTS onboard released at the same time. It'll be
>>>>>> interesting to see if other TV manufacturers take up the
>>>>>> challenge.
>>>>>>> Yusuf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/03/2012 19:36, martin wilsher wrote:
>>>>>>>> I agree with all that has been said here. the thing needs
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> accessible from the word go, and this isn't. what on
>>>>>> earth were the
>>>>>>>> RNIB thinking of when giving their blessing to this box?
>>>>>> if it is not
>>>>>>>> accessible when you turn it on, it's not accessible at
>>>>>> all imho.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> *From:* Iain
>>>>>> Lackie<mailto:ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> *To:*
>>>>>> access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:28 PM
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV
>>>>>> with Voice
>>>>>>>> guidance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For a long time now, I have been saying that one of
>>>>>> the points which
>>>>>>>> impresses me still about the Sonus DAB radio is that
>>>>>> it allows
>>>>>>>> access to the menu system. The station names may be
>>>>>> out of date, but
>>>>>>>> I can live with that. Any television which doesn’t
>>>>>> allow access by
>>>>>>>> voice to the menu system cannot in my view truly be
>>>>>> described as
>>>>>>>> accessible, especially if you have to gain access to
>>>>>> the menu system
>>>>>>>> to switch the voice on.
>>>>>>>> Iain
>>>>>>>> *From:* Barry Hill<mailto:barry.hill3@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:20 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:*
>>>>>> access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV
>>>>>> with Voice
>>>>>>>> guidance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, did the RNIB say we want this that and the
>>>>>> other, for Panasonic
>>>>>>>> to simply do what they wanted and use the
>>>>>> endoursement of the RNIB
>>>>>>>> as a publicity stunt, or did the RNIB fall short of
>>>>>> their obligation
>>>>>>>> to VI users?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:*access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *william lomas
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 18 March 2012 5:53 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [access-uk] Re: Panasonic Viera smart TV
>>>>>> with Voice
>>>>>>>> guidance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and yet they are supposed to have consulted with
>>>>>> RNIB during this
>>>>>>>> development cycle?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Mar 2012, at 17:13, Gary Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yesterday I had a chance to have a lookat the new
>>>>>> Panasonic Viera
>>>>>>>> smart TV range which includes voice guidance and
>>>>>> audio description
>>>>>>>> as mentioned on this list and on Insight radio last
>>>>>> month.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the plus side, you can choose male/female voice,
>>>>>> set voice rate
>>>>>>>> and volume. The voice is good, it sounded better
>>>>>> than my Goodmans
>>>>>>>> Smart talk box and more responsive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IT speaks the channel, programme you are on and
>>>>>> works within the
>>>>>>>> programme guide, but sadly doesn't work within the
>>>>>> various settings
>>>>>>>> menus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ironically therefore like audio description on DVDs
>>>>>> you probably
>>>>>>>> won't be able to turn on the voice guidance without
>>>>>> sighted help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sadly therefore and very frustratingly given the
>>>>>> sheer amount of
>>>>>>>> functionality and connectivity these TVs have
>>>>>> (Internet,
>>>>>>>> wifi,DLNA,USB,SD etc) most of the functionality will
>>>>>> be wasted so
>>>>>>>> far as a visually impaired user is concerned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a Viera remote control App for Apple
>>>>>> devices, but i don't
>>>>>>>> think this will help in providing access to the
>>>>>> multiplicity of set
>>>>>>>> up menus which controlmost of this very flexible
>>>>>> TV's features.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The full price of the 32" model is around £499
>>>>>> though it will
>>>>>>>> probably be available cheaper if you look around.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> whilst Panasonic are probably to be commended on
>>>>>> including voice
>>>>>>>> guidance as standard across the range, it is
>>>>>> nontheless very
>>>>>>>> frustrating to be in effect short changed by the
>>>>>> limitations of what
>>>>>>>> they have provided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am going to try to speak to someone in panasonic
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>>>> department and see if there is any way of getting
>>>>>> the set up screen
>>>>>>>> information output to an external device which might
>>>>>> give a way of
>>>>>>>> getting more access to these otherwise very
>>>>>> impressive TVs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
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