[access-uk] Re: Political Correctness
- From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:51:53 -0000
equality! oh yes that one again, well you know how it works, we are all
equal, just some are more equal than others.
Dave
equality? didn't know this was a joke list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Political Correctness
> Hi, taking that to its logical conclusion, let's scrap all equality
> legislation, including the DDA, stop expecting anything to be made
> accessible, and all have specialist gadgets, specialist jobs and
special
> educational courses! Not as bad an idea as we might have thought even
a
> year or two ago!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jim o'brien" <jim.taggart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>
>> my opinion only.
>> political correctness is a form of brain washing and we should fight
it
>> at every turn.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:16 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>
>>
>>> All I would say is it's PC or, as I call it, Political Cuckoo, gone
...
>>> well ... cuckoo!
>>>
>>> I would have done the same in your shoes Roger. I take exception to
>>> being called a racist by anybody. I have some good friends from
>>> overseas, and indeed family members.
>>>
>>> But what initiated this thread was Dave saying he didn't like the BT
>>> Call Centre, and I have to agree with that. They do read from
scripts,
>>> whether they come from Ireland or India. Broadband is also a very
>>> technical language, and I sympathise with even well-versed English
>>> speakers in the terminology they need to understand.
>>>
>>> There isn't any need for anybody to take offence. As I say, it's PC
>>> gone cuckoo.
>>>
>>> Jackie
>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger South" <roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Around the middle of last year I had occasion to phone my local
>>>> council's hackney carriage office to complain of a taxi driver who
>>>> refused to take my guide dog. In conversation I said that
immigrants to
>>>> this country should be made aware that they will be expected to
obey
>>>> the laws of this country That when in Rome do as Romans. The woman
went
>>>> mad calling me the worse kind of racist and was going to report me
then
>>>> slamming the phone down. A while later I received, unannounced, a
visit
>>>> from the council department concerned with that sort of thing. They
>>>> said they were investigation to decide whether to prosecute me.
They
>>>> than gave a list of the things I'd said which were twisted versions
of
>>>> what I actually did say. I waited until they'd finished and simply
>>>> asked if they'd listened to the tape that was said about at the
start
>>>> of the conversation on the phone. They admitted no so I told them
to do
>>>> so and stop wasting my time. I didn't hear any more so I contacted
them
>>>> and was told no further action was planned. I demanded an apology
in
>>>> writing or I would start proceedings against them. I got it. So
some
>>>> people do jump off the deep end without taking care to get their
facts
>>>> correct first. So many people are so very over sensitive in finding
>>>> reasons to be offended.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not sure Dave if it wouldn't have been better to refer to language
>>>>> barriers, perhaps? Maybe more a subject for Vi-gen, but I do get
very
>>>>> anoyed when having to deal with people, whereever they might be
from,
>>>>> who's grasp of English leaves much to be desired, e.g. in a pub
being
>>>>> expected to point to what I want, rather than simply ask for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you much of the problem is also down to the mass-market habit
of
>>>>> selling things and not providing propper support to keep prices
>>>>> artificially low, hence use of call centres with no knowledge or
>>>>> comitment to anything they are providing support for.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I say, a subject more for vi-gen I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From Ray
>>>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> Ankers, Dave (UK)
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's interesting, I used the word "Brainless" because the person
on
>>>>> the
>>>>> other end of the phone was unable to leave the script they have
been
>>>>> programmed with and have a conversation based on information
given.
>>>>> Is
>>>>> that Racist?
>>>>> I also stated that misunderstandings due to language differences,
>>>>> meaning constantly having to repeat oneself was infuriating. Does
>>>>> that
>>>>> make me a racist? oh no I used the "C" word!! yes coloured! Jackie
>>>>> stop
>>>>> laughing!
>>>>> It's interesting, whenever you use the word "Coloured" you must be
a
>>>>> racist. If I was a racist, I wouldn't spend so much money in
their
>>>>> restaurants!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure there are some I don't like, just imagine I lived in between
two
>>>>> neighbours, who both played agga bloody do at full volume, I would
>>>>> want
>>>>> to shoot the pair of them, but one is Caucasian and the other
>>>>> coloured!
>>>>> yes you know what I'm going to be called after shooting the
coloured
>>>>> one
>>>>> don't you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty, you said you didn't want to start a new conversation on
the
>>>>> subject, and it's not access related, but to someone who attended
a
>>>>> school which was 75% coloured, and I know who is the most racist!
ever
>>>>> heard of the cast system?
>>>>> it's the proverbial red rag!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of the opinion that your choice of words leaves a lot to be
>>>>> desired,
>>>>> and goes no way to support your statement that you are not
>>>>> xenophobic -
>>>>> your defining people by their skin colour and claiming that they
don't
>>>>> have a brain because they don't understand you being two examples
>>>>> thereof.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find this list a useful and productive platform for sharing
ideas
>>>>> and
>>>>> information, and think it would be unfortunate if it became a
place
>>>>> where such discriminatory comments were unchallenged.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no interest in opening up a new discussion on the subject,
but
>>>>> wanted to make the point that at least one person here found the
>>>>> racist
>>>>> comments about Indian call centres offensive. Yes, I have had my
own
>>>>> frustrating experiences with a number of call centres, but I
believe
>>>>> there's a difference in being dissatisfied with a service and
writing
>>>>> so
>>>>> discourteously about a whole people group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty
>>>>>
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