Hi Will I agree about Sky and Virgin Media's lack of interest or whatever you want to call it in making their boxes accessible. It is one reason why we won't subscribe to Sky, because, firstly, you don't get exactly what you want despite their advertising ploy of "choice". Secondly, if they charge what they do and can't be bothered or have no plans to make their boxes accessible, then I would rather not bother in principle and use what we have. It would mainly be sport for me and documentaries for both of us, but I can find enough to do with my day without too much TV in any case. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 16 May 2012 11:22 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Where does this leave the Panasonic TV? again it paves the way for sky to get in to action, if a software upgrade can do it for freeview, then why not for sky and virgin media? the fact they can not be bothered surely can not hold up in law for much longer? i would, in truth, prefer sky as much more variety of channels; true at a cost, but that's fine by me. On 16 May 2012, at 11:05, Darren Brewer wrote: Hi List All this discussion about the new talking PVR got me thinking. One thing I've noticed that noone has mentioned is that the new TVs that Panasonic recently launched are probably already obsolete, as far as the blind community are concerned. Their accessibility compared to the tvonics box is very poor. With the new tvonics recorder you can take a standard TV and make it completely accessible. Ok, the Goodmans did a simlar job, but as many would argue it was quite poor compared to this one. What still amazes me and this is coming from a former electronics design engineer is that with just a simple upgrade to the firmware the box becomes completely accessible. Over time more features and enhancements will be added and they will be free. Something else the goodmans lacked. RNIB, Goodmans and Panasonic must have invested a fair amount of time and money in developing the accessibility of their recent products, which required more of a hardware rather than a software solution which is always far more expensive and restricting. Now tvonics come along and hey presto with a simple upgrade we have complete accessibility. Ok, not quite, iplayer and digital text, but given time they will be. I still think it was brave of Panasonic to try and be a trail blazer. Unfortunately they didn't do enough and left a lot of people wondering why so much of the TV was still inaccessible. Maybe they will take notice of tvonics, which in truth is a far less well known and less established electronics manufacturer. When I've mentioned Tvonics to people, so far all have said they have never heard of them. Maybe now they will become more well known. Just my thoughts. Darren. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq