Ok thanks Jack. All the listings I have found advertising the group, including the one on Tom's whitestick site, seem to indicate that that it is on Freelists. I'm confused.com! Best wishes, Mike Higgins, Email: m.j.higgins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Address: 1 Portland Court, Sheffield, S6 3EW, UK. Tel (voice and, by prior arrangement, fax): +44 (0) 114 2258676 Mobile: +44 (0) 7956 856060