Sorry, how would that work? Isn't Strato--as an example--using a custom made dedicated launch vehicle? How would my costs be lower of I develop another rocket to use that platform? And why would they fly a competitor? Bill Sent from my iPhone On Feb 16, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Another additional observation: Once something like Proteus, or WK1/2, or > Stratolauncher has been built and is being operated regardless, the potential > for buying additional lifts for marginal cost-plus-profit may also improve > the practical economics of air launch across a range of vehicle sizes. > > Henry > > On 2/16/2015 1:08 PM, Henry Vanderbilt wrote: >> One addition to Bill's observations here: Range costs at the traditional >> ground launch ranges don't scale noticeably with launcher size, and can >> make air launch costs competitive with ground launch at the small end of >> the payload range. >> >> A half-million in range costs is 1% of a $50m F9 launch, but if your >> target price per launch is $5m it's 10%, and at $1m it's 50%. Given >> that the aircraft also cost (somewhat) less down at the small end of the >> range (and also that the pull-up capability Bill mentions gets somewhat >> easier to obtain) there may be an economic case to be made for >> air-launch for smallsat launchers. >> >> Henry >> >> On 2/16/2015 3:18 AM, Bill Claybaugh wrote: >>> Liam: >>> >>> I do not know of any reference but here are some general observations: >>> >>> - in general, air launch is more expensive than ground launch (I know >>> Burt says the opposite, but he is provably wrong). >>> >>> - if custom built; air launch drop aircraft are typically more costly >>> than a ground launch pad for the same size solid rocket. >>> >>> - annual O&M costs to maintain flight certification are typically >>> higher than the same costs for a solid rocket ground launch pad. >>> >>> - horizontal drop requires a pull-up maneuver; the lowest mass way to >>> do that is wings, but all that mass is unneeded for ground launch. The >>> alternative is to have the drop aircraft pitch up; that requires a >>> much higher performance aircraft. >>> >>> - air launch rockets want to be solids, particularly if horizontally >>> launched. Feed system complexity and slosh issues during the pull-up >>> add still more mass to a liquid solution which is not offset by the >>> increased Isp. >>> >>> - most of the additional performance from air launch is in the higher >>> area ratio of the first stage motor; the velocity imparted by the >>> aircraft is trivial in comparison. >>> >>> - to make air launch economically competitive the aircraft has to have >>> some other user (e.g. sub-orbital joyrides; carrying large or bulky >>> cargo); otherwise the O&M cost quickly drives the project to the high >>> cost, low flight rate corner of the box (Pegasus, for example). >>> >>> - the advantages of "any orbit; any time" are largely national >>> security related; in the absence of such a sponsor / customer there is >>> very little commercial justification for the higher cost of air >>> launch. Cheaper to wait for the desired orbit to pass over the launch >>> pad. (Which, BTW, argues for a single, all azimuth, ground launch pad.) >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 12:38 AM, Liam McQuellin <lmcquellin@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I am writing a paper and I am looking for a text book that describes >>>> air launch concepts. Does anyone know of any they could recommend? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Liam McQuellin >>>> Australian Space Research Institute >>> >>> >> >> >