[AR] Re: Columbia etc. (was Re: Valley Tech...)

  • From: "Jorge R. Frank" <jrfrank@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 22:41:54 -0500

On 3/27/20 13:55, Henry Spencer wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020, ken mason wrote:
I know the official story Bill but It is common knowledge such imagery was used in a earlier mission were tiles were dislodged from the aft end of the orbiter, can't remember the mission but it's on record. So it would be ludicrous that they wouldn't utilize such assets again.

Note what Bill said:  yes, such imaging was done on other occasions (the missing-tiles incident you're thinking of was probably STS-1), but this time, the risk was thought slight and it didn't seem worth the hassles of trying to talk the spooks into doing short-notice imaging.  These weren't *NASA* assets, remember:  it meant asking for a big favor from some difficult people.

Right. NRO doesn't re-task their birds to take pictures of shuttles for funsies... they only do that upon specific request from NASA. And since the CAIB report (Volume 1, Sections 2.5 and 6.3) states that NASA managers denied the internal request, that's pretty much the end of it.

Ken may be confusing the internal request for spysat imagery with the *ground* imagery taken from Maui (which showed nothing useful since Columbia was pointed topside to the Earth at the time) and from New Mexico during entry (CAIB Vol 1. Section 3.6, low res imagery which showed excess heat on the left wing, but not processed until after the disaster).

I also remember the chatter about preparing Atlantis for a rescue mission... Why would such discussions of a rescue take place if no damage wasn't plausible?

The discussions took place because some people were worried, especially early on.

The discussions did not take place during the mission. This was an after-the-fact exercise on whether a rescue mission would have been feasible, requested by the CAIB (Volume 1, Section 6.4).

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