Ben
Sadly, that's probably true.
Rick
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Behalf Of Ben Brockert
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 4:02 PM
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Subject: [AR] Re: Google decides to end their lunar X-prize.(Re: Amateur solid
rockets for cube-sat launch to orbit)
A team of clever and experienced professionals couldn't make an orbital rocket
in 2-3 years with $5-10M. There's no way a student team could do it.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Rick Wills <willsrw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Intercollegiate Rocket Engineering Competition has had vehicles
trying to go to 100,000 feet. If memory serves, last year Oregon
State has a solid that tried to go that high. Reaching orbit is much
more complex. Guidance & control alone would be an extremely tough
hurdle and licensing/range coordination will be tough as well.
The right kids with the right faculty funded to the toon of $5M to
$10M might be able to pull off an orbital flight. Expect it to take 2
to 3 years.
Rick Wills
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[mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Clark
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:15 PM
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Re: Google decides to end their lunar X-prize.(Re:
Amateur solid rockets for cube-sat launch to orbit)
You do you need professional rocket engineers directing the projects.
Several university teams have reached 100,000+ ft. with the aerospace
faculty directing the students. At the top aerospace departments, many
of the faculty also have industry experience so they have actually
designed and built rockets in the past.
Not every aerospace department has as part of their courses actually
building high altitude solid fuel rockets. Assuming the projects are
led by faculty with real industry experience, it's not that hard to
instruct students in building a high altitude solid rocket. If they
have questions about it, they can always ask the Mavericks Civilian
Space Foundation how they were able to instruct high school students on
accomplishing it.
Bob Clark
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Edward Wranosky <edwardcw@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Because they are succeeding so easily (according to your
interpretation), then why aren't these launches and flights ubiquitous?
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Robert Clark
<rgregoryclark@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yes. I'm aware of that. The same professional team Mavericks Civilian
Space Foundation instructed the university team as the high school
students. The high school students didn't succeed on their first
flight either. They did on their second flight. Clearly, the
university team would be able to succeed as the high school students, given
further chances.
I was giving that example to give an idea on the amount of funding
that would be required for a single flight, ca. $25,000.
Bob Clark
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:10 PM, justin corwin <outlawpoet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Did you... look into that effort at all? After that article Team Ursa
launched twice, and didn't come close to 100k. Also they were
University of Maine alumni with one member who was still an undergraduate.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Robert Clark
<rgregoryclark@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Clearly, the same professional rocket engineers who guided the high
school students to the two-staged,100,000 ft. flight could do it at
FAR as well, either for themselves or by guiding students to do it.
The team that instructs the high school students does have funding
though. I don't believe though it's anything more than a few tens of
thousands of dollars for a flight, based on this other instance where
the team instructed university students on building a high altitude rocket:
Posted September 14, 2013
Central Mainers part of civilian effort to rocket into space.
A group of seven current and former University of Maine students from
all around the state, including one from Winslow, will make history
next week when, if all goes well, they will launch an 18-foot-tall,
500-pound rocket they designed and built themselves nearly 35 miles into the
atmosphere.
https://www.centralmaine.com/2013/09/14/central-mainers-part-of-civili
an-effort-to-rocket-into-space/
Bob Clark
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 3:19 PM, justin corwin <outlawpoet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Or even just do it yourself, which has to be even easier than walking
a bunch of high-schoolers safely through it. I'm sure nobody at FAR
has gotten anywhere near that just because we're lacking in creativity.
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