[AR] Microwave thermal propellants [was Re: Re: ALASA cancelled because...]

  • From: Pierce Nichols <piercenichols@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 10:17:25 -0800

Jon,

Solid heat exchangers are a PITA -- they're heavy and their thermal limits
constrain ISP. I wonder if you could do the soot one better and mix ammonia
with nanoparticles of a variety of microwave absorbers (susceptors) to get
a desired temperature.* Then, instead of a heavy heat exchanger, you just
need a microwave-transparent plumbing section.

-p

*The reason you need more than one is each type of susceptor has a
temperature range. Ordinary glass is quite a good susceptor above red
heat... a fact which can be used to melt a glass bottle in your microwave.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Jonathan Goff <jongoff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Doug,

Agreed on the disassociation benefits of Ammonia. The interesting thing
Kevin Parkin was mentioning on his site (
http://parkinresearch.com/microwave-thermal-rockets/) was that the soot
produced by methane decomposition at high temperatures is a good microwave
absorber, meaning it might actually enable heating the methane hotter than
if they had to transfer all the heat from the heat exchanger walls...

~Jon

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Doug Jones <djones@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

In my opinion, ammonia is the unsung hero of non-combustion rockets. By
decomposing into N2 and H2 (no fouling), the molecular weight drops to 8.5.
lower than anything but helium and hydrogen. Yet at 200K & one bar the
density is 728 kg/m3, and at 2200K the vac Isp can hit about 3900 m/s. That
rho*isp is hard to beat.

Doug Jones


On 12/1/2015 3:43 PM, Jonathan Goff wrote:

On a note somewhat related to stable, high-performance monopropellants,
Kevin Parkin just announced the start of a San Francisco-based startup
to pursue his previous Microwave Thermal Rocket launch technology (which
I think we discussed a bunch on aRocket back in the day). Hard to get
more stable than inert, and even with Methane or Ammonia, the
performance is still very respectable...

~Jon




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