[AR] Re: New TAN patent: claiming the F-1.

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:24:40 -0400 (EDT)

On Wed, 13 Jul 2016, David Gregory wrote:

It's also unlikely to be worth the trouble, since the turbine exhaust is pure hydrogen, and reasonably warm, giving decent Isp...

"Expander" doesn't automatically imply "hydrogen". People have run expander cycles (in fact, modified RL10s!) successfully on methane and propane.

Remember also that expander turbine exhaust isn't necessarily all that warm. The RL10 turbine inlet temperature is about -90degC -- yes, that's a minus sign. There's probably a tradeoff there between higher energy content and bulkier gas plumbing (since higher temperature means lower gas density).

and you need a way to cool your giant nozzle anyway.

Why would the nozzle be giant? Or hard to cool? The original RL10 nozzle, sized for vacuum operation, was pure regen (with an expander, more regen is good); some later models added uncooled refractory extensions.

Henry

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