On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 08:46:10PM -0400, Bill Claybaugh wrote: >I'm still not certain I understand the question, but let us assume >that there exist an ELV that will place 30,000 pounds in LEO for $2000 >per pound (= $60 million); let us call this vehicle "100%". > >Now let us further assume that there exists a derivative of "100%" >that has a boost back first stage with near zero refurbishment costs; >further assume that this vehicle--per previous estimate--is capable of >six first stage flights and accordingly is priced at $1000 per pound >for 30% less payload. Call this vehicle "70%". > >21,000 pounds at $1000 per pound is $21 million vs 30,000 pounds for >$60 million, no? Whether we calculate in price per launch or in price >per pound the result is the same: no rational economic actor buys the >ELV for LEO missions; the project cost will--up to a calculable >limit-- be lower if one spends more on making the spacecraft fit the >21k pound vehicle. Well, except for the people to whom a 30,000 pound satellite is worth more than $39 million more than a 21,000 pound satellite, due to its higher capability. I'm not sure who those people might be; either figure is quite a substantial satellite, even if most of that mass would be used to raise the orbit from LEO to GEO. But that was (if I understood it) Henry's point, in an abstract sense. For the Falcon 9 (those figures being close to the Falcon 9's) the argument might not make much practical difference, but a smaller launcher might see much of its market disappear if it started cutting payload. -- Norman Yarvin http://yarchive.net/blog