Thanks Anthony. I'd gotten so used to Korey being in Florida I'd lost track.
I'll look him up.
Chuck Rogers
In a message dated 8/4/2018 9:06:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
acesaroni@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Hi Chuck,
K2 is back in SoCal. Have you seen him yet? Jerry Irvine sent me a picture of
the two of them at the PRS last spring. 😊.
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
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Redacted sender "crogers168" for DMARC
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 7:05 PM
To:arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Re: Trimodal AP
I always remember a great description from Korey Kline of trimodal AP.
"Think of it as basketballs, baseballs, and golf balls". The micron sizes may
be a little off, but you can visualize how the different sizes of AP will pack
together tighter.
Chuck Rogers
Who once with Korey Kline had to change the formulation of a propellant and go
through the entire re-characterizing testing again (Kn - chamber pressure,
chamber pressure - burn rate) because we adjusted the trimodal AP mix so we
would run out of the different drums of AP at the same time. (And not have a
quarter drum of X left, or a one-third drum of Y left, etc.)
In a message dated 8/4/2018 9:51:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
acesaroni@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
This is very dependent on the size, distribution and quantity of other solids
in the formulation such as aluminum powder as well as ballistic modifiers such
as SSFO, ALO2, Guignet green etc. If you are using a surfactant, that also
comes into play. Most APCP is more than bi-modal or trimodal in terms of
solids. Only oxidizers seem to be referred to in this regard.
Most workhorse commercial propellants are bi-modal as far as oxidizers are
concerned BTW. This is primarily for mechanical properties, ballistics and
economics. 200 mu is the baseline feedstock with everything else being site
milled from that. 90 and 400 have expensive surcharges. Those sizes are
sometimes used in specialty formulations such as 90/10/1 for example or in the
case of 400, gas generators, slower burn rate propellants, delays etc. Until a
few years ago, 600 mu and 50 mu varieties were also produced. AP was also FDA
approved for use in cattle feed. It causes thyrosis so the bovine fattens up
quicker for market but I digress.
A good but expensive reference is “ The Handbook of Fillers for Plastics” by
Harry S. Katz. One method I experimented with many years ago to formulate
multi-modal start points was CAD believe it or not. It worked surprisingly
well.
Best.
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
Cesaroni Technology/Cesaroni Aerospace
http://www.cesaronitech.com/
(941) 360-3100 x101 Sarasota
(905) 887-2370 x222 Toronto
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William Claybaugh
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 11:51 AM
To:arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Trimodal AP
Any one know the optimum mix of 400 micron, 200 micron, and 90 micron AP?
Bill