[AR] Re: Zubrin,

  • From: John Schilling <john.schilling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 02:07:25 -0700

On 8/28/2019 10:58 AM, Henry Vanderbilt wrote:

On 8/28/2019 10:01 AM, Uwe Klein wrote:
Am 28.08.2019 um 17:43 schrieb Henry Vanderbilt:
Knowledgeable reduction of my ignorance RE electric propulsion much
appreciated - thanks!

So, all other electric-propulsion things being equal, in terms of
overall efficiency of converting electrical energy in to thrust energy
out, the ionization energy requirement favors  heavier atomic-weight
propellants and higher isp's.


What do I get from putting a charge on fine dust?
You obviously have to increase acceleration time/length
due to less applyable force per mass.

A 20 km/s sandblaster?  Drives that emit discrete particles rather than self-dispersing individual molecules would be a hazard to navigation at some large distance, I would think.  Perhaps not good if the object is vastly increased space traffic.

Beyond that, I might guess that you could reduce the charge energy required if not every molecule must be charged, but as you imply at cost of heavier/longer acceleration machinery for a given exhaust velocity.  Whether that's a good trade depends on the circumstances, of course.


There are systems that electrostatically accelerate small charged liquid droplets; the terms you want to search for are colloid thruster or electrospray thruster.  Acceleration distance doesn't have to be very long because they all exploit the very high field gradients you get near the tip of a needle-shaped anode or cathode to simultaneously extract, charge and accelerate the droplets. Also, the geometric size and throughput constraints on electrostatic thrusters are mostly set by space charge density rather than mass density, so putting e.g. half a dozen surplus charges (positive or negative) on a 10,000 AMU blob of some liquid salt solution is pretty appealing.

Unfortunately, thrust *per needle-shaped emitter* is measured in micronewtons, and when you call machining and tell them your Mars mission needs a precise array of a hundred million needles hooked to a high-voltage grid and a capillary feed system they tend to start giggling.  Mumble something 3-D printing lithography nanomagic, but the needles need to be really sharp.  And stay really sharp in operation.  So far, this is mostly for microsatellites or for precision stationkeeping on larger satellites.

        John Schilling
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