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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 01:31:27 -0700 Subject: [AR] Re: NASA test of quantum vacuum plasma thruster From: Michael Clive<clive@xxxxxxxxxxx> Thanks so much for this review. I was very excited, obviously, about this, but upon reflection and the wisdom of people such as you, I have gained a better handle on the experiment. As someone who runs a test facility and often sees people screw up data because they are not familiar with the equipment, your review rings very true. Dang. Too bad. Now I feel silly for getting all enthusiastic about this.
No reason to feel silly about that. The paper came from a reputable organization, and the conclusions (which were the only part reported outside the AIAA paywall) were entirely worthy of enthusiasm. And a healthy dose of "this looks too good to be true...", but if that ever completely overrides the enthusiasm, you may be in the wrong business. Also, the bit where a medium-independent "propellantless thruster" is inherently also a perpetual motion machine, never gets the press it deserves. But if you do know about it, it's a good early check on this sort of thing. If there's talk of a propellantless thruster, look for the explicit discussion of why it is or is not also a perpetual motion machine. If it's missing, then either A: they are hiding something, or B: they don't understand what they are talking about, or C: their work is being filtered through reporters who don't understand what they are talking about. In this case, apparently B and C both, which added to the confusion for a while. John Schilling john.schilling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (661) 718-0955