Good Saturday Morning, Bob Evans.
First, you are welcome to post whatever you choose to post on blind
democracy. What I, and I suspect others, are saying is that your
rants appear to include many of us who do not support the American
Empire's attempts toward world dominance, and frankly, speaking just
for myself, I am offended by being swept into this pot you call,
"Americanism".
In your latest rant you wrote, "...Ignorance
and detestable defamation of Islam is the cornerstone of what people
know about it in your purportedly civil nation. America's proclaimed
fundamentals of racial equality are substantially oppugned. It is
conspicuously notorious of broadly embracing racial disparity.
Thence, it is crucial to remain unpollutedly scrupulous in the face
of your malicious threat. It essentially aims to perfectly destroy
our identity and gradually, coerce us into a distorted copy of their
demonic heritage. I sent this out to just bait its recipients in the
States. If I could do more to cause them even greater harm, I would
have not waffled to instantly do so."
So, Bob, I am one of those recipients in the United States. Are you
really baiting the American People? You appear to have no real
understanding of the complex and diverse composition of we who call
ourselves, Americans. If your anger is directed toward the Ruling
Class, or the International Corporations that control the current
American government, then address them. But if you feel that those of
us who work to bring about changes in our government, are not doing
enough, and thus deserve to be included, then you have turned many
potential supporters away.
While you express frustration over our failure to take action, and all
we do, including you, is to talk, remember, that is our greatest
strength. Talking to one another. Talking to our families. Talking
to our neighbors. Finding those outlets where we can freely express
our ideas and concerns. Talking is our greatest hope for a better
world. Our Tongues are our army. We have no well trained, armed
troops ready to destroy the Forces of the Empire. And if we did,
history teaches us that we would only be exchanging one Empire for the
next one.
But I want to touch on one aspect of your rant that troubles me. You
seem to return again and again to the belief that if we do not see
that your Religion, your Belief in Allah, is the only way toward
establishing Peace, then in the end, you cannot accept us as being
worthy allies. I have tried to tell you that this is exactly the same
attitude of those who attack your way of life and of your Beliefs.
As an Agnostic, I can not accept your religious Beliefs. But I can
fight for your right to believe what you wish to believe, so long as
you and those who believe as you do, do not feel the need to force me
to accept it.
But you are wrong if you believe that religious differences are at the
bottom of the American Empires need to dominate the World. Set God
and Allah aside and take a look at Corporate Capitalism. The battle
to divide up Earth, is a fight between giant mega corporations. Some
of these corporations are so powerful that they are mightier than any
nation, including the United States of America. These corporations
will ultimately take over our Planet Earth. We will be forced to pay
allegiance to one or another. While we are still bickering over our
religious differences, our national concerns, our jobs, our
independence, the Powerful Corporation CEO's are moving toward a world
of new nations. Corporate Nations. And then there will finally be a
Universal God. The God of the Bottom Line. Profit.
But for now, my bottom line is to defend your right to speak out on
this list, anyway you feel the need to do. Just remember that your
words can bring people together, or drive them away.
And at the risk of offending you, please try to speak in sentences
that are simpler and use more common expressions. Speaking for
myself, you lose me in your flood of verbiage. Read more of Chris
Hedges, and copy his style. Or get a copy of Howard Zinn's great
book, A People's History of the United States, and study not only what
he says, but how he says it.
Best regards,
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/18, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, to Carl and all, I thought I won't ever be misapprehended on this list
after I clarified myself more than once. However, I apologise if I misused
this list. I did not intend to do so. I knew that plenty of you are anti
Trump and anti political fascism. I join you in listening to alternative
media. As I write this response, I listen to Chris Hedges interview on
national public radio regarding one of his books called Days of Destruction,
Days of Revolt. The book chronicles life in poverty in different parts of
the United States. But to be quite fair, this doesn't solve the longstanding
prob in my forgotten region. With all respect, mister Hedges just talks and
so do I. This is why I get frustrated sometimes, when talk is the maximum of
what could be exerted. I naturally feel incensed and thence, seek refuge
with ranting as I did earlier this morning. When someone like hellion
Trump tampers in my domestic affairs and no one is able to stop him, I must
go insane. I am often told, your religion is the major source of threatening
evil. This justifies transgression for them. Excuse me, your nation doesn't
face civil conflict, extreme poverty and mass exile because of ruthless
bombardment
that is broadly besieging Syrian towns. You are calmly sitting at home,
listening to your favourite podcast while drinking coffee and devouring on a
large bag of cookies. Pastor Jason of Baltimore, attempts to manipulate my
heritage and identity. He connives with Zionists to destroy Muslim culture.
He is of Jewish descent, so I am not surprised. By the way Jason, I am still
waiting for the quote of the Koran that literally says, kill all Jews and
Christians or whatever it might be. I want actual Koran in classical Arabic
rhetoric, not a distorted or misquoted translation of the daily mail or
Israeli press. This is a plain instance of why I am angry with Americanism,
because it's never honest. My major engagement has indeed to be with Ronald
Wilson Reagan type of Americans. I won't ever defer to attempts of coercion
and eminent imperialism by American aggression. I am proud of what I firmly
belong to. Subsequent to the deadly collapse of Manhattan's tallest
skyscrapers in New York, the United States began to act as the world's
veritable police. We won't let them boss us around. It's time to stand our
ground. I do not speak in apologetic manner. Americanism is dying of
unhealed malignant neoplastic disease. As to those who are spiritually
deprived, the world's renowned atheist, English theoretical physicist,
Stephen Hawking died recently. He indeed took nothing with him. He is now
destined to hell because of denying the truth. He fallaciously oppugned
deity's existence. Well, he didn't choose not to die. When the matter had
been decreed, he utterly submitted. Atheistic curriculum has vanished in the
face of decisive evidence. Christendom, however, is the major cause of why
Atheism intemperately heightened among lay people in the vastly baffled
western world. In terms of temporal life, the west is perfect. But as for
spiritual affairs, the west is broadly lost and confused. The divine has
either been personified or totally denied. That is tremendously
preposterous. It's enough for now. I better hasten to catch up dawn prayer
here and then, go make myself breakfast.
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr" <llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Bob Evans" <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility
Carl:
Surely you understand that Bob is right and you are wrong because that is
the way it is!
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for your response to Bob's rant, Miriam.
Human nature is going to be the death of our species. Why is it that
Bob can see the effects of a Self Righteous America, but can't see
that it is the same as his own hard nosed position?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder why you sent this message to the Blind Democracy list? In it,
you
write about all of us, individual people who live in the US, who vary in
our
racial , ethnic, and religious backgrounds, in our economic status, in
our
political beliefs, as if we were all the same. You stereotype Americans.
Many of us are differing every day with people who stereotype Muslims,
who
think that everyone who lives in the Middle East is the same. After
having
had communications with many of us, I would have hoped for a more
meaningful
communication from you.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:43 AM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Americanism fragility
In Trump's execrable era, Americanism has reached its peak of
nefariousness.
It is incomparably the surliest portraiture of this enormously
opprobrious
nation. Its tenets are essentially based on racial disparity and
xenophobic
entity. The latter, however, is rigidly ingrained in America's white
figure.
No one is happier to despise Americanism than your communicator. I
won't
ever seek to have place among haters. It is a sign of disgrace to be a
greencard bearer. America's counterfeit pride has utterly been toppled.
Sadly, the United States opted to be infinitely sequestered from the
rest
of the world. Donald Trump is just a vivid reflection of many residents
of
the discreditably white nation. If many of you are somewhat offended
because of what I say, they may then search for the reason. Your regular
tax
revenue resembles a major factor in Syria's civil conflict. Your nation
doesn't do much except prostrating to Zionism. In the United States,
bibles
and guns are quite similar for middle class southern evangelists. Life
there
is essentially based on philistinism, greed and lecherousness. Oval
office
is despicable and iniquitous. I won't exclude anyone from this mass
stridence. Despite it being allegedly unsolicited, Americanism is
absolutely
unwished here. It is vicious, distasteful and unpropitiously
reprehensible.
I won't ever dispose Islam to flatter any of you. Your faith is
certainly
mesured with lacking practicality. Muslims in the States are
disenfranchised
of practicing their belief properly. Ignorance and detestable defamation
of
Islam is the cornerstone of what people know about it in your
purportedly
civil nation. America's proclaimed fundamentals of racial equality are
substantially oppugned. It is conspicuously notorious of broadly
embracing
racial disparity. Thence, it is crucial to remain unpollutedly
scrupulous
in
the face of your malicious threat. It essentially aims to perfectly
destroy
our identity and gradually, coerce us into a distorted copy of their
demonic
heritage. I sent this out to just bait its recipients in the States. If
I
could do more to cause them even greater harm, I would have not waffled
to
instantly do so. Why am I being explicitly inimical to people there?
Because
of the fact that their nation is wholly held accountable for the grave
misery seen in Iraq, which used to be a prominently primal repository
of
Islamic past refinement. Syria, is now the scene of a chaotic situation.
It
is a war composed of communism led by Russia and its allies versus the
United States as it represents Capitalism in the furious battlefield.
Now
who are the victims? Muslims and their kids are. Well, no one really
cares,
as long as Muslims are dying and not someone else. Over the last five
years
or so, Sunni Muslims in Syria are relentlessly subjected to ruthless
murder
and expatriation to border camps. The United States doesn't assume
itself
being impelled to guard those who are broken because of considerably
inclement warfare. It rather bans refugees from entering the States. The
reason? Well, putatively, terrorism. The federal justice department
wasn't
sufficiently adequate to prevent this scandalously practice of
purposeful
racial segregation, primarily based on faith motives. Syrian refugees
were
rather warmly welcomed and keenly received in countries like Turkey,
Jordan
and Egypt. So, before asking me to remove you from this mass
repudiation
that certainly baits you, be brave and confront the bitter truth. Ask
yourselves, why am I intentionally disappointing you? and, why are you
so
hated in the rest of the world? Well, that's enough for now.
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