I also received the message. I assumed it was on the list. Since I saw Carl's
response, I'm quite sure that it was.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2019 9:09 PM
To: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Atheism in the west versus the Muslim world
Okay, it appears that you are on his personal mailing list too. When he fills
out a form that asks for occupation I wonder if he writes pest.
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George Carlin
??? Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe,
and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they
have to touch it to be sure. ???
??? George Carlin
On 8/2/2019 4:50 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger,
The message showed up on my email, and I decided to read it. I'd been
deleting most of his rants, lately. I'd thought that Mostafa was
going to enlighten me with an explanation of the Evils of Atheism and
the virtues of his True Muslim Faith. I had decided not to make any
response, then I got to the sneaky inclusion of your name...along with
his usual hearty and enthusiastic insults. I wrote my reply, then
noticed that it was sent to me and not to blind democracy. I thought
folks who still read Mostafa's angry outbursts would want to keep up
with his discussion about the Evil Atheists...thank goodness I'm just
an humble Agnostic.
Carl Jarvis
On 8/2/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Did that get on the List? I got that myself and thought it was one of
his private messages to me. Due to popular demand, especially from
one list member who has been demanding it privately, I set, or at
least tried to set, a flag on his address that would allow him to get
list messages, but not to post. Now I find you, Carl, replying to
this message on list. Did you get this message privately and copy
your reply to the list? If you did that is okay with me. Or did you get this
message on list and replied to the list?
If it was the latter then something went wrong with my attempt to
keep his rants off the list.
---
George Carlin
??? Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the
universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint
is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure. ???
??? George Carlin
On 8/2/2019 2:00 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Buried in your current rant, Mostafa, you took time out to attack
Roger. You wrote: "I once bumped into someone who is
unprecedentedly idiotic. He is named Roger. For the most part,
Atheism claims it espouses scientific?? outgrowth but it doesn???t.
This hellion has used science to cowardly hide behind its curtain.
Atheists in general have exploitatively perverted the conception of
science to broadly promote irreverence and rather incredulity."
Your rants are so viciously hateful and so full of misconceptions
that they give you the appearance of being a White Southern Racist
Christian, until you praise Allah. Since I am an Agnostic, I will
not attempt to defend the beliefs or positions of Atheists, except
to say that you need to get your face out of your Holy Book and read
a bit of history. Long, long before Europeans set about butchering
the native people living in the "New World", your people were
sweeping up through Spain in an attempt to conquer the Christian world.
And, who were the European Crusaders? Those armies were not
composed of Atheists. The war has long been between the Christians
and the Muslims. You, all alone, seem bent on making history over,
to suit your own purposes. As you demonstrate, people do not need a
specific reason to fight one another. You felt insulted by Roger's
efforts to explain his beliefs, and you have made a one-man Crusade
against Atheism and Roger.
Shame on you, Mostafa.
Cordially,
Carl Jarvis
On 8/1/19, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone, I hope you are keeping really well. In this
editorial, I would like to discuss some of the major factors that
are often leading many individuals to coercively embrace Atheism. I
will divide this piece into three major sections, in addition to
definitive sentiment. Atheism root motives in the west, Atheism
root motives here in the Muslim world and the conclusive remarks.
Certainly, I would like to hear from you. If you like this article
and thought it???s intriguing, please feel free to share it on your
social media platform. First, what is Atheism? Basically, it is the
doctrine of denying God or any reliable evidence for His existence.
So, what are the root causes of Atheism dominance in the west?
Although the United States is largely considered a conservative
nation, nearly half of its population became Atheists or they???re
on their way to. So, why? The following causes are mentioned
briefly. Nonetheless, if you wish to get a full copy of this
research project associated with their documented stats and
attested citations, please, feel free to drop me a line. At its
inception, desperation. Many people have lost their faith credentials due
to the fact that they are absolutely despondent.
The fact that they have inundated in philistinism made them
spiritually emptied. They use pseudoscience such as the mythical
notion of evolution to cover up their actual theme. Second, Atheism
is used to widely promote and advocate for homoeroticism. Third,
the fact that mass Christendom has personified the divine has
naturally led to denotative incredulity. Fourth, the plain absence
of religious significant code in the social arena has consequently
led to faith inaction. So, what are the root causes of Atheism
emersion among Muslims and Arabs? First off, we must clearly
discern that those people are mostly influenced with civil
defeatism and cultural retardation. Thence, they are wholly
manipulated. Furthermore, the total absence of proper mentorship
domestically has led many of those young people to go search for
alternative abroad. Naturally, the latter has to be stronger. They
envision this perfect portrait within the western material civilisation.
It befits their fancied figure.
Atheists in the west exercise this unethical tactic to enrich
frustration and despair within Muslim audience. They hence would
beguile many of them to critically consider embracing Atheism, or
at least disposing faith as a ruling entity. What is in the west so
appealing to many of our youth today? Each and every model comes
from the west, even splendidly adored soccer players. Thus far,
many of our young people who are not sufficiently experienced
assume that the west is worthy of blind imitation. They therefore
attempt to unconsciously simulate them in just everything, even
inconstancy. Of course, that???s incorrect. The western
civilisation has its pros and cons. Materially, it???s acquisitive.
Otherwise, it is emptily otiose.
It doesn???t serve more than White supremacists and back Israelis,
many of them are Atheists though. Subsequent to the failure of many
revolutionary movements of Arab spring, many of our youth sought
refuge with becoming Atheists to avoid and evade their already
undesirable identity. Subsequent to the piercingly de facto coup
based regime here in Egypt, many young people declared political
bankruptcy.
I knew some youngsters who claimed to be Atheists to just ease
their visa issuance and its affiliated formal procedures, so they
could licitly settle in Europe, New Zealand, Australia or North
America. So, politics plays a major role in affecting decisions of
belief shifting or the lack of. So, politics has been used to
utterly subvert religious adherence and call for disbelief.
Generically, the turning point has been quite perceived within
former Syrian subversives, particularly, those of them who
dispiritedly moved to the west after their attempts of making
change true haven???t prospered. As they keenly uprose and sought
change, their revolution has been bribed and deliberately
perverted. Moreover, their country has been made the primal soil
for a fringe element like Da???ish to develop and widely emerge.
So, the transition to Atheism among Muslims astoundingly has got
nothing to do with spiritual enrichment or the lack of. It essentially has
got much to do with identity loss and seeking new one.
This topic is vitally important. It explains the relevant
affiliation between political failure, lack of transparency and
emergence of precipitous incredulity within youngsters of variously
Muslim backgrounds. So, we now fathom what is going on. The west
has a special agenda to totally get rid of Islam practiced by
younger generations. Unlike Christianity, Islam has a major role in
the social arena. It guides its substructure and sets its sentiment
by which people ought to honour and interact. Surely, that what
disappoints many westerns. Many Muslims are enormously
disconcerted, they are ashamed of their religion. They are
constantly impeached of promoting terrorism. Thence, they typically must
hold the defending position.
This disposal is no longer valid and it has to stop. For instance,
what has the opinion of someone like Trump the scoundrel got to do
with the proper portrait of Islam? If he determined to utterly halt
Muslim entrance to the United States, if he vows to abolish what he
considers radical Islamic terrorism, what should we fear about that?
We knew and bore witness long time before election date, to
Trump???s explicit anti Islam rhetoric evidently exposed to the
public in the States and beyond. Terrorism is what they forcefully impose
upon us.
We knew they despise us, they hate us, and they won???t ever bring
good to our countries or peoples. Therefore, Atheism furtherance
has to be delt with as a gravely destructive way of thinking,
mainly brought to us by our malicious enemy. The Muslim has to be
sane and firm. It also quite wrong to prejudiciously presume all of
those who are not Muslims as our enemy. We should only consider
those who openly present hostile temperament to us to be enemies.
This includes thought-provoking attempts to redesign Islam for us,
evoke mockery and so forth. Neither is acceptable for genuine
Muslims. We have got to deal with each and every situation
accordingly. We do not hate, we rather seek to educate and
integrate. The scope of atheistic stigma is gravely exposed to
everyone. Islam doesn???t collide with contemporary scientific
development. Islamic legislation has endeavour been the primal
incentive of new scientific breakthroughs. I once bumped into
someone who is unprecedentedly idiotic. He is named Roger. For the
most part, Atheism claims it espouses scientific outgrowth but it
doesn???t. This hellion has used science to cowardly hide behind
its curtain. Atheists in general have exploitatively perverted the
conception of science to broadly promote irreverence and rather
incredulity. This what Roger does and those who embrace his iniquitous
perspective. I???d like to ask those Atheists though, what am I going to
get of embracing Atheism?
Why am I need to believe in this inadvertency? Many Arabs have
unfortunately looked at Atheism as the superior alternative to
their cultural crisis. The current state of constant desperation
and failure has naturally led to mass frustration among young people
around here.
The best solution for this problem is to relentlessly strengthen
and encourage faith adherence. This is indeed the proper motive
for cultural renovation. We have got to stop to be blindly
fascinated of western culture in just everything. Yes, we have got
to communicate, integrate but not to be manipulated and wangled. We
must be proud of our identity. We shouldn???t be easily discouraged
by false and counterfeit allegations of terror etc.
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(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is
a shoreless ocean.)