Back in my early college days, when I still belonged to the Land of
the Sighted, I took a course called The Bible as History. I became
frustrated trying to sift through the many stories that comprise the
Bible, and find the little kernels of fact.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I read an article in the March 26 issue of The New Yorker yesterday, about
two new books about the history of Judaism. It contained many details. But
the only think that I took away from that article is that the actual history
of Judaism, is not contained in the Bible or the Torah which were created to
teach lessons and present a way of living. The actual history of Judaism is
history, based on factual evidence, not imagination or creativity.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Christendom and the Muslim world and the
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Bob, of course I respect each person's belief, on this list.
And I am secure in my own belief, to the point that anyone ridiculing me,
has no impact whatsoever.
Speaking from my vantage point as an Agnostic, I can't understand the need
to have Jesus, the Son of God, born by a Virgin. In my lifetime I've known
many loving, caring, compassionate people who were born "out of wedlock".
Certainly they had no say in the matter. But for generations, just because
we listened to some old men's stories, we were taught to believe that such
people were inferior. So along comes an extremely bright, thoughtful,
loving man named Jesus. Rumors have it that his father, Joseph, really
isn't his father at all. Other stories tell that Joseph lay with Mary prior
to marrying her, and so he was covering with this tale of an immaculate
conception. And still others said that Mary became pregnant outside of
wedlock, and rather than see her stoned to death, Joseph married her in
order to save both her and her unborn child. But the fact is that none of
it matters at all. Who cares how Jesus came to be. What matters are his
teachings.
He spoke a great deal about the need to rid ourselves of our base nature.
By being direct, Jesus became an irritant, a thorn in the side of the Roman
government. So they murdered him, believing this would be the end of the
matter. As usual, violence did not solve anything. But rather than learn
from the behavior, we place Jesus on a pedestal and worship him as the son
of God. My reading, for what it's worth, causes me to believe that Jesus
saw all of us as children of God, and in that, he was no different.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/18, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There are many Christians who discreditably exhibit terrible qualities
to the prophet peace and blessings be upon him. They purposefully
asperse his noble character with the wickedest of characteristics.
They don't do that based on their unconsciousness and unawareness, no
no, absolutely not at all. They rather are filled with tremendous
antipathy to prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him, his
decree and biography. I really would love them to explain to me in the
clearest of terms, the reasons by which they espoused to
disrespectfully maltreat the prophetic character in such a
contemptuous manner. I don't have a problem with people disbelieving
in the
prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. I noted many people who
decline his prophethood and I never felt offended. What I consider
quite disdainful
is their manner of deliberately attempting to demean his estimable
character, peace and blessings be upon him. This manner of intended
maltreatment is repetitious and it usually aims at offending us. For
more than once, they viciously drew disgraceful portraits of the
prophet peace and blessings be upon him, while aiming to spark a
massive outrage from Muslim masses. They recognise that such practices
are sufficient to instantly provoke our offence and thus, they do that to
get us offended.
This hateful practice doesn't have anything to do with freedom of
speech, it
surely doesn't. It is a unilateral policy and it doesn't extend to the
Jews,
for instance. It is known worldwide that the Jews are the top
proprietors of
major business enterprise in the United States. The country's
prominent population is Christian but the wealthy is frequently the
Jew and consequently, the Christian is expected to flatter the Jew.
The belief that
Jews are held accountable for crucifying Jesus is less taught among
Christian fellow Americans and the reason is clear. They want to save
their
temporal interests, economically, the Jew is the primary provider and
therefore, we must be decent and treat them respectfully. I noticed
lots of
Christians in the United States refusing to say that the Jews were
responsible for Christ's Crucifixion despite the formerly solid
belief. In Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, the Jews were portrayed
as cruel and the
toughest of people and particularly, in the Crucifixion's scene.
Consequently, the film producer earned a grave amount of criticism,
labelled
with antisemitism at least. I quite comprehend the whole scenario. It
has nothing to do with the so-called freedom of expression. I
previously asked
this question and all of you fled from answering. Well, I'll ask it
again, perhaps some of you may decide to be honest and brave this
time. The Holocaust is a strictly prohibited subject from public
scrutiny and criticism. Well, what about if an artist decided to
ridicule the Holocaust or its sacred chronicle? Would he be tolerated
or, will he emphatically be subjected to tremendous pressure to back
off? I am a little bit skeptic concerning the freedom of speech
controversy. I should point out though that
the Talmudic literature contains the worst transcription about Jesus
and his
mother. The Talmudic literature says that Jesus is procreated from
illegitimate relationship and thus, his mother is described as an
adulterous. However, the Noble Koran is the only sacred text on earth
that undoubtedly exculpated Mary's celibacy. This textbook which freed
Mary from
the shame of guilt has numerously been subjected to veritably
inappropriate
desecration by those who supposedly consider themselves Christ's
followers.
Wow, bravo. The textbook which explicitly preserves Mary's innocence
and thus Christ purity, is deliberately profaned while the Talmud or
the ancient rabbinical writings are basically exempted despite the
disgrace they
associate to Jesus and his mother due to political considerations.
That's hypocritical in the slightest. So the Christian fears the Jew
because of his
eminent authority politically and economically. The Koran was burnt by
a Christian despite its explicit deference and distinctive reverence,
speaking
of
Jesus and his mother. Southern evangelists are conspicuously
notorious of provoking blasphemy about Islam and its prophet, peace
and blessings be upon him. Nevertheless, Scottish Author and
Historian, Thomas Carlyle spoke the truth about prophet Muhammad and
his remarkable legacy. He
said and I quote:
"It is a great shame for any one to listen to the accusation that
Islam is a
lie and that Muhammad was a fabricator and a deceiver. We saw that he
remained steadfast upon his principles, with firm determination; kind
and generous, compassionate, pious, virtuous, with real manhood,
hardworking and
sincere.
Besides all these qualities, he was lenient with others, tolerant,
kind, cheerful and praiseworthy and perhaps he would joke and tease
his companions.
He was just, truthful, smart, pure, magnanimous and present-minded;
his face
was radiant as if he had lights within him to illuminate the darkest
of nights; he was a great man by nature who was not educated in a
school nor nurtured by a teacher as he was not in need of any of
this". However, the battle is expected to heighten. The Christian
abnegation of Islam has nothing to do with theological evidence or the
lack of. They constantly seek refuge with practicing deceit. They rely
on deluding lay individuals of majorly hapless
nations. This is why, you will find Christian missionaries active in
countries like Rwanda, Uganda, Cambodia, Peru, Haiti and Philippines.
Furthermore, they work very well in Syrian refugee camps on Turkish
borders
and beyond. As they do not have theological logic to convince
educated people, they prefer to work under the cover. They sell
religion with terrestrial provision. They like to sound peaceful, innocent
and harmless.
They instead, like to counterfeitly accuse us of terror and violence.
They couldn't live without acting the victim role. A barrage of
revelations and court gambits over the last fourty eight hours has
left President Donald Trump and his shrinking legal team fighting an
escalating battle. His protagonists are witnessing a dreadful time.
Some people attempt to fallaciously misportray me as infelicitous and
scattered. Well, I am stiffly
resolute and cocksure. My wedding is scheduled on April the seventh.
It doesn't mean I am baiting Jason of Baltimore I am unsatiated.
Americanism is
intemperately infructuous. It is nearly the weekend here. I am having
breakfast tomorrow morning with one of my best friends. I am then
going to Friday service. I then will go visit my bride-to-be at her
home. It'll be a
lot of fun. Well, fun in Muslim way not western one. So I am not happy
eh? I
live the best moments of my life nowadays. But, I still wouldn't
refrain from baiting those who justly deserved to be baited. As I
count down for my
big day, I must insure Christendom is castaway.
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