Given that fact, and given the fact that we live in the real world which
exists, and not in the one in our heads which we would prefer to exist,
wouldn't it be a good idea to focus on small goals that are actually capable of
being accomplished and that might help all of us, help make our lives more
secure, make people less vulnerable, rather than consistently focusing on the
big picture, the far off unreachable goals?
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:57 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: DSA votes for BDS, reparations, and out of the
Socialist International
One major roadblock is that there is so much of the Ruling Classes thinking
interwoven with the different Progressive, Left Wing Organizations, that there
is little chance for a united front, as long as that Ruling Class sits in
control. The Empire's People are calling the shots. We, on the Left, are too
often dancing to their tune.
Carl Jarvis
On 8/9/17, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And as long as Sanders and people like him keep making sure that
alternative parties don't have a chance it is likely to continue that
way. But by independent political action I didn't mean that anyway.
Running candidates for office is not an attempt to change the economic
system by revolutionary socialists anyway. It is only a way to get
attention and to find opportunities to distribute propaganda. For one
thing, the bourgeoisie isn't going to let their system be overthrown
through the electoral process anyway. They will cancel the elections
before they will let that happen. Then there is the problem of being
faced with administering the bourgeois state even if you do get elected.
What happens then? Look to Venezuela for a possible answer. Look to
European social democrats for another answer. They tried to administer
the bourgeois state and turned into administrators for the benefit of
the bourgeoisie itself and in a lot of cases actually became the
bourgeoisie. Independent political action means a lot of things other
than playing at bourgeois electoral politics. It includes strikes and
mass actions. If you think that overthrowing the current economic
system depends only on getting elected to the very state that
maintains that system then it doesn't matter a lot if you get elected
as a democrat or an alternative party.
On 8/9/2017 9:32 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Problem is that alternative parties don't have a chance in hell of
winning an election in this country. That's why Sanders did what he
did. People on the left are having this big debate about who should
run and which party is pure enough and socialist enough and while
they're debating, power and money are taking over. If a bourgeois
liberal can make things better, I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger ;
Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 8:29 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: DSA votes for BDS, reparations, and
out of the Socialist International
It really doesn't matter much to me what Sanders runs as. He has
shown himself to be just a bourgeois liberal politician. His use of
the word socialist never meant more than just social democrat, but he
played it down so much that it ended up meaning nothing when coming
from him. The biggest harm that I see that he did, though, was to
herd would be independent political activists into the democrat
party. He did it in the first place by running as a democrat and
thereby dragging people to the democrat primaries and then after he
couldn't get past the primaries personally he urged all of his followers to
vote for Hillary Clinton.
That has always been exactly what the DSA has done and obviously they
haven't stopped. Nevertheless, this article does offer some hope in
that there is at least a major faction of the DSA that wants to pull
away from the democrats.
On 8/9/2017 2:59 PM, Bob Hachey wrote:
Hi Roger,
Do you believe that, let's say, 5 or ten years ago, the dSA would
not be supporting the DBS movement against Israel?
It was sure nice to learn that both the DSA and Bernie Sanders
support the dBS movement. By the way, some of my friends who have
been disillusioned with the Democratic party believe that Sanders
should have run as an independent in the 2016 election. I think it
was better that he ran as a Democrat. IF nothing else, his campaign
and the nasty way he was treated by Democratic leadership shone a
very bright light on a terribly corrupted party.
Bob Hachey
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger ;
Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 2:51 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] DSA votes for BDS, reparations, and out
of the Socialist International
The article below does tell me that the DSA seems to have moved to
the left since I was working with them in the West Virginia
Citizen's Action Group, but they still have not broken from the
Democrat Party. The fact that a significant faction would even
propose it, though, shows some progress.
https://socialistaction.org/2017/08/07/dsa-votes-for-bds-reparations
-a nd-out-of-the-socialist-international/
DSA votes for BDS, reparations, and out of the Socialist
International
/ 2 days ago
arton1711-18b26By JUAN CRUZ FERRE
This article is reprinted from leftvoice.org.
— AUG. 5 — The National Convention of the Democratic Socialists of
America is currently under way. An estimated 700 to 800 delegates
representing 25,000 members nationwide are participating in the
four-day event at the University of Illinois in Chicago. In the
weeks preceding the convention, numerous resolutions were put
forward by individual members and groups, some of which were
circulated throughout the organization to be presented for discussion and
vote at the convention.
On Saturday (Day 3), the discussion centered on amendments to the
DSA’s constitution as well as the organization’s national priorities.
The delegates voted to sever relations with the Socialist
International, a conglomeration of parties that have embraced and in
some cases implemented neoliberal policies around the world (ie.,
the German SPD, Hollande’s Socialist Party in France, Peña Nieto’s
PRI in Mexico, the Indian Congress Party, and the Greek PASOK).
The resolution that passed stated, “Our affiliation with the
Socialist International hinders our ability to develop stronger
relationships with parties and social movements that share our
values and which, in many cases, are bitterly opposed to their
country’s SI affiliate(s),” and, “In many countries, they have
helped to lead the attack on the welfare state and on the rights of workers
and unions.”
The DSA has been affiliated with the Socialist International since
its founding in 1982. Saturday’s vote to leave the international
marks a historic shift, signaling the political leanings of the
exponentially growing new membership.
At the same time, some members are putting forward proposals for
building “stronger relationships with new left parties and movements”
outside of the SI, “from Podemos (Spain) to PSOL (Brasil) to
Momentum in Britain” (from DSA Momentum Platform).
On Saturday, the assembled delegates voted to support the Boycott,
Divestment, and Sanctions movement against Israel. The bulk of the
resolution is an indictment of Israel’s occupation of Palestine:
“Israel has engaged in a program of rapacious colonization
(‘settlements’) of the Occupied Palestinian Territories…Israeli
settlers in the West Bank are given the rights of Israeli
citizenship, subject to civilian law, and are permitted to drive on
roads barred to Palestinians…Palestinians in the West Bank are not
Israeli citizens, are subjected to military law, including being
tried in military courts with a 99% conviction rate, are forced to
drive on different roads…[T]here are today at least 50 laws that
discriminate against Palestinians with Israeli citizenship.
“…[A]ll of the aforementioned constitutes apartheid…”
With this vote, the DSA has taken a stance that leaves behind the
Democratic Party’s line and that of Bernie Sanders, who, when asked
whether he supported the BDS during an interview with Al Jazeera,
bluntly replied, “No, I’m not a supporter.”
The decision immediately rippled through social media and was lauded
by many inside and outside the organization.
Also on Saturday, delegates voted in favor of a resolution by
members of the NYC and North Jersey members of the Afro-Socialist
and Socialists of Color Caucus. The proposal included formal
recognition of the Caucus by the National organization. It included
a statement in support of reparations in the US to “communities
descended from slaves” and the Global South “nations who have
suffered hundreds of years of economic exploitation” by “imperialist
nations.”
The statement pointed out,
“Reparations won’t erase the shamefully violent history of our
country, or the irreparable damage 400+ years of free labor has
caused the black community. It is, however, a means of
redistributing wealth to the communities descended from slaves,
which could ease the material burdens they face today.”
Of note, in an amendment that was eventually voted down, New York
City members proposed to replace the preamble of the “Priorities Resolution”
with language around the DSA’s relationship to the Democratic Party:
“We should recognize that the Democratic Party is not our party,
even if we sometimes run or support candidates within it. We have,
therefore, no interest in its internal battles, such as the fight
between Keith Ellison and Tom Perez. We should refrain from
endorsing or supporting Democrats engaged in political struggles within the
Democratic Party.
Taking part in such internal Democratic Party fights only disorients
our members, leading them to believe that the Democratic Party can
be a vehicle for the aspirations of working people.
“We believe it is important to emphasize this point because the
Democratic Party has historically been the biggest challenge to
progressive movements.”
The proposal did not advance a clear break with the Democratic
Party; it was milder in content, but was still struck down at the
convention.
Although the DSA’s electoral strategy and the question of full
independence from the Democratic Party has proven difficult to
resolve, the events taking place at the DSA convention signal
auspicious changes brought on by the growing new members and influx of
youth.
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