I've been reading so much history of this stuff. I think, from what I've
read, that there were Zionists of different camps or persuasions. The best
of them were, perhaps, secular socialists, who wanted to build a socialist
state where Jews could flee from persecution. But the fact is that there
were people already living there. Yes, there were already some Jews living
in Palestine and they lived side by side with non Jews. Then more came and
purchased land from people who owned it, and then more came. And this was
part of a movement, a plan. These people came from western europe and there
life styles and values were different from many of the people already living
there who were peasants or those groups that move from area to area, (the
name escapes me). The Jews were settlers and they were forming a colony. So
at some point, there was going to be push back from people already there who
were beginning to feel that the new people moving in, would dominate them.
If you read some of the stuff that some of those Zionist wrote, like Ben
Gurion, it's rather horrifying because it is filled with this sense of
superiority and very clear statements that they're going to take over the
whole land. As for Avnery, he and his family fled to Palestine because of
the Nazis and by the time they got there, the Palestinians were already
resisting the flood of newcomers because they were feeling outnumbered and
the new settlers formed an army to fight the resistance of the Palestinians.
All those Jewish settlers assumed that they had a right to take over land in
Palestine because the bible said that Jews had lived there two thousand
years ago. There's a book on BARD called The Two-State Delusion which is
very hard to read because it is so academic. It's written by a man who
worked on peace negotiations in Northern Ireland and in South Africa, and I
keep getting distracted by other books because his writing is so ponderous.
But one of his points is that each group, the Zionists and the Palestinians,
are locked into very separate narratives about their relationship to the
land and neither can budge. Both feel that they are victims.
Miriam
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:43 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: avnery // on lieberman
I think there were many things the old-time Zionists did not understand, or
perhaps more accurately, did not realize and certainly did not want to go
the way they indeed did go. Having known many such Zionists in my day, I
know for a certainty that none of them wanted to mistreat or annihilate the
people already living on the land. Naive? Perhaps. They often thought the
land could be shared, for example, that there was room for everyone. Again,
naive? Perhaps. But not cruel or evil.but I'm not at all sure the same could
be said of those who are in the forefront of Israeli politics and policy
today.you say he's done a complete turn-around.does he at least have the
decency to admit that?
On May 22, 2016, at 11:34 AM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yes, he's done a complete turn around. But not in his ownmind. Many
of the
Israelis who are horrified at what their government is doing now,
had no
problem with Zionism as a concept originally, nor did they
understand that
they were stealing land from people who had been living on it for
thousands
of years. They had various rationalizations for what they were
doing,
including bible stories. Bernie is one of them. They didn't
understand that
once the process had started, it wasn't going to stop. So now,
probably in
retrospect, they understand that the 67 war was a mistake. Israel
conquered
and occupied those territories in 67, did not give the occupants
citizenship, and set the stage for how they would treat all
Palestinians in
their occupied territories. But then they started treating
Palestinians
within the green line in the same way and the government kep moving
further
and further to the right.
Miriam
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Dampman
Humel
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 10:12 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: avnery // on lieberman
I'm confused.aren't this guy and the writer of the article speaking
out
against the mistreatment of the Palestinians, against the fascistic
direction some of Israel's leaders and citizens are going, and
apparently at
their own peril?
On May 21, 2016, at 6:56 AM, joe harcz Comcast
<joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is trully scary Miriam.
What is worse is that no one cares, except perhaps Palestinians who
get angrier by the moment at injustice that will never be resolved.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam Vieni"
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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 6:42 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] avnery // on lieberman
You have to remember who this guy is. He fought in the army
before there was
an Israel, and he was involved in the original ethnic
cleansing of the
Palestinians.
Miriam
avnery // on lieberman
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Uri Avnery
May 21, 2016
I Was There
"PLEASE DON'T write about Ya'ir Golan!" a friend begged me,
"Anything a
leftist like you writes will only harm him!"
So I abstained for some weeks. But I can't keep quiet any
longer.
General Ya'ir Golan, the deputy Chief of Staff of the
Israeli army, made a
speech on Holocaust Memorial Day.
Wearing his uniform, he read a prepared, well-considered
text that triggered
an uproar which has not yet died down.
Dozens of articles have been published in its wake, some
condemning him,
some lauding him. Seems that nobody could stay indifferent.
The main sentence was: "If there is something that frightens
me about the
memories of the Holocaust, it is the knowledge of the awful
processes which
happened in Europe in general, and in Germany in particular,
70, 80, 90
years ago, and finding traces of them here in our midst,
today, in 2016."
All hell broke loose. What!!! Traces of Nazism in Israel? A
resemblance
between what the Nazis did to us with what we are doing to
the Palestinians?
90 years ago was 1926, one of the last years of the German
republic. 80
years ago was 1936, three years after the Nazis came to
power. 70 years ago
was 1946, on the morrow of Hitler's suicide and the end of
the Nazi Reich.
I FEEL compelled to write about the general's speech after
all, because I
was there.
As a child I was an eye-witness to the last years of the
Weimar Republic (so
called because its constitution was shaped in Weimar, the
town of Goethe and
Schiller). As a politically alert boy I witnessed the Nazi
Machtergreifung
("taking power") and the first half a year of Nazi rule.
I know what Golan was speaking about. Though we belong to
two different
generations, we share the same background.
Both our families come from small towns in Western Germany.
His father and I must have had a lot in common.
There is a strict moral commandment in Israel: nothing can
be compared to
the Holocaust. The Holocaust is unique. It happened to us,
the Jews, because
we are unique. (Religious Jews would add: "Because God has
chosen us".)
I have broken this commandment. Just before Golan was born,
I published (in
Hebrew) a book called "The Swastika", in which I recounted
my childhood
memories and tried to draw conclusions from them. It was on
the eve of the
Eichmann trial, and I was shocked by the lack of knowledge
about the Nazi
era among young Israelis then.
My book did not deal with the Holocaust, which took place
when I was already
living in Palestine, but with a question which troubled me
throughout the
years, and even today: how could it happen that Germany,
perhaps the most
cultured nation on earth at the time, the homeland of
Goethe, Beethoven and
Kant, could democratically elect a raving psychopath like
Adolf Hitler as
its leader?
The last chapter of the book was entitled "It Can Happen
Here!" The title
was drawn from a book by the American novelist Sinclair
Lewis, called
ironically "It Can't Happen Here", in which he described a
Nazi take-over of
the United
States.
In this chapter I discussed the possibility of a Jewish
Nazi-like party
coming to power in Israel. My conclusion was that a Nazi
party can come to
power in any country on earth, if the conditions are right.
Yes, in Israel,
too.
The book was largely ignored by the Israeli public, which at
the time was
overwhelmed by the storm of emotions evoked by the terrible
disclosures of
the Eichmann trial.
Now comes General Golan, an esteemed professional soldier,
and says the same
thing.
And not as an improvised remark, but on an official
occasion, wearing his
general's uniform, reading from a prepared, well thought-out
text.
The storm broke out, and has not passed yet.
ISRAELIS HAVE a self-protective habit: when confronted with
inconvenient
truths, they evade its essence and deal with a secondary,
unimportant
aspect. Of all the dozens and dozens of reactions in the
written press, on
TV and on political platforms, almost none confronted the
general's painful
contention.
No, the furious debate that broke out concerns the
questions: Is a high-ranking army officer allowed to voice
an opinion about
matters that concern the civilian establishment? And do so
in army uniform?
On an official occasion?
Should an army officer keep quiet about his political
convictions? Or voice
them only in closed sessions - "in relevant forums", as a
furious Binyamin
Netanyahu phrased it?
General Golan enjoys a very high degree of respect in the
army. As Deputy
Chief of Staff he was until now almost certainly a candidate
for Chief of
Staff, when the incumbent leaves the office after the
customary four years.
The fulfillment of this dream shared by every General Staff
officer is now
very remote. In practice, Golan has sacrificed his further
advancement in
order to utter his warning and giving it the widest possible
resonance.
One can only respect such courage. I have never met General
Golan, I
believe, and I don't know his political views. But I admire
his act.
(Somehow I recall an article published by the British
magazine Punch before
World War I, when a group of junior army officers issued a
statement
opposing the government's policy in Ireland. The magazine
said that while
disapproving the opinion expressed by the mutinous officers,
it took pride
in the fact that such youthful officers were ready to
sacrifice their
careers for their
convictions.)
THE NAZI march to power started in 1929, when a terrible
world-wide economic
crisis hit Germany. A tiny, ridiculous far-right party
suddenly became a
political force to be reckoned with. From there it took them
four years to
become the largest party in the country and to take over
power (though it
still needed a coalition).
I was there when it happened, a boy in a family in which
politics became the
main topic at the dinner table. I saw how the republic broke
down,
gradually, slowly, step by step. I saw our family friends
hoisting the
swastika flag.
I saw my high-school teacher raising his arm when entering
the class and
saying "Heil Hitler" for the first time (and then reassuring
me in private
that nothing had changed.)
I was the only Jew in the entire gymnasium (high school.)
When the hundreds
of boys - all taller than I - raised their arms to sing the
Nazi anthem, and
I did not, they threatened to break my bones if it happened
again. A few
days later we left Germany for good.
General Golan was accused of comparing Israel to Nazi
Germany. Nothing of
the sort. A careful reading of his text shows that he
compared developments
in Israel to the events that led to the disintegration of
the Weimar
Republic. And that is a valid comparison.
Things happening in Israel, especially since the last
election, bear a
frightening similarity to those events.
True, the process is quite different. German fascism arose
from the
humiliation of surrender in World War I, the occupation of
the Ruhr by
France and Belgium from 1923-25, the terrible economic
crisis of 1929, the
misery of millions of unemployed. Israel is victorious in
its frequent
military actions, we live comfortable lives. The dangers
threatening us are
of a quite different nature.
They stem from our victories, not from our defeats.
Indeed, the differences between Israel today and Germany
then are far
greater than the similarities. But those similarities do
exist, and the
general was right to point them out.
The discrimination against the Palestinians in practically
all spheres of
life can be compared to the treatment of the Jews in the
first phase of Nazi
Germany. (The oppression of the Palestinians in the occupied
territories
resembles more the treatment of the Czechs in the
"protectorate" after the
Munich betrayal.)
The rain of racist bills in the Knesset, those already
adopted and those in
the works, strongly resembles the laws adopted by the
Reichstag in the early
days of the Nazi regime. Some rabbis call for a boycott of
Arab shops. Like
then. The call "Death to the Arabs" ("Judah verrecke"?) is
regularly heard
at soccer matches. A member of parliament has called for the
separation
between Jewish and Arab newborns in hospital. A Chief Rabbi
has declared
that Goyim
(non-Jews) were created by God to serve the Jews. Our
Ministers of Education
and Culture are busy subduing the schools, theater and arts
to the extreme
rightist line, something known in German as Gleichschaltung.
The Supreme
Court, the pride of Israel, is being relentlessly attacked
by the Minister
of Justice. The Gaza Strip is a huge ghetto.
Of course, no one in their right mind would even remotely
compare Netanyahu
to the Fuehrer, but there are political
parties here which do 0 emit a strong
fascist smell. The political riffraff peopling the present
Netanyahu
government could easily have found their place in the first
Nazi government.
One of the main slogans of our present government is to
replace the "old
elite", considered too liberal, with a new one. One of the
main Nazi slogans
was to replace "das System".
BY THE WAY, when the Nazis came to power, almost all
high-ranking officers
of the German army were staunch anti-Nazis. They were even
considering a
putsch against Hitler . Their political leader was summarily
executed a year
later, when Hitler liquidated his opponents in his own
party. We are told
that General Golan is now protected by a personal bodyguard,
something that
has never happened to a general in the annals of Israel.
The general did not mention the occupation and the
settlements, which are
under army rule. But he did mention the episode which
occurred shortly
before he gave this speech, and which is still shaking
Israel now: in
occupied Hebron, under army rule, a soldier saw a seriously
wounded
Palestinian lying helplessly on the ground, approached him
and killed him
with a shot to the head. The victim had tried to attack some
soldiers with a
knife, but did not constitute a threat to anyone any more.
This was a clear
contravention of army standing orders, and the soldier has
been hauled
before a court martial.
A cry went up around the country: the soldier is a hero! He
should be
decorated! Netanyahu called his father to assure him of his
support. Avigdor
Lieberman entered the crowded courtroom in order to express
his solidarity
with the soldier. A few days later Netanyahu appointed
Lieberman as Minister
of Defense, the second most important office in Israel.
Before that, General Golan received robust support both from
the Minister of
Defense, Moshe Ya'alon, and the Chief of Staff, Gadi
Eisenkot. Probably this
was the immediate reason for the kicking out of Ya'alon and
the appointment
of Lieberman in his place. It resembled a putsch.
It seems that Golan is not only a courageous officer, but a
prophet, too.
The inclusion of Lieberman's party in the government
coalition confirms
Golan's blackest fears. This is another fatal blow to the
Israeli democracy.
Am I condemned to witness the same process for the second
time in my life?