Laurie - I'm not asking anything. I just thought this was an interesting posting. I have no doubt that using grammar properly makes our language more comprehensible. I learned English in the US as a native speaker and use the perfect tenses properly, for the most part. I know this beause my children, who speak English with me and with no one else, use the perfect tenses properly. However, I will add that I had no idea that there was such a thing as a perfect tense or aspect until I started helping the younger siblings of my friends with their English homework when I first came to Israel. I also only learned the terms "modals" and "conditionals" when I began teaching EFL. But I also know that language is in constant flux and often there is no black and white ...unless you're Lynne Truss. Michele On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:58 PM, laurie ornstein <laurenmadeline@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > In response to Michele's question regarding the use of "did" (and not > "had") in the "third conditon".... > > When is the last time you were in the US? Americans, for the most part, > have no idea of which tenses go with which conditions...let alone using > "were" and not "was" in the 2nd condtion! And I'm talking about educated > speakers! > > Laurie > > ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------