I second Judy G. regarding her comments and its true even with the Log (which we are doing). Its great for students who are weak but are working extremely hard - they can really shine and its nice to see their faces when they do. Its also a great learning experience for those who think they can get away with doing nothing as their grades come in either at failing or scraping above - even the near native speakers. Louise "All our 11th grade 5 point pupils took the literature exam. As a teacher I was quite thrilled with the whole process. For the FIRST time I experienced and saw a direct correlation between effort and grade among my students." ************************************** ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** post to list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** David Lloyd: ETNI founder & manager http://david.greenlloyd.com ***************************************