-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: re: new ETNI Poll From: "sarag" <saragabai@xxxxxxxxx> When I graduated from an Israeli high school (over 20 years ago - I'm not saying how many years over) my friends could read Julius Caser , but couldn't discuss a newspaper article. My oldest son graduated from high school 10 years ago. he could discuss almost anything, and read and understand VERY HARD unseens. My 5 point pupils who had their graduation ceremony last night can converse in English on a very high level - as regards both their passive and active vocabulary. Their grammar, in my opinion, should be better. They can read the Jerusalem post - but will do so only if the article interests them. They can read a poem they have never seen before - and understand both the meaning and the literary devices. The unseens they "practiced" in class are short and not too hard - because this is the level that is required. The questions are often hard - and it is hard , even for me, to find one definite answer . If we had woreked on longer and harder unseens - I am sure they could have done them. So - I answered that their level of English is "more or less the same" as 20 years ago - because there really isn't one clear-cut answer to this question (like in the bagrut unseens...) sara g sara g in israel sarag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and also saragabai@xxxxxxxxx Visit us at The E Zone http://c3.ort.org.il/ganyavneenglish -------------------------------------------- Visit the ETNI site - http://www.etni.org Send a message to the ETNI list: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx --------------------------------------------