Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many wonderful points that were brought up yesterday that I don't know where to begin. First Adi, I agree. As an organization dedicated to excellence in English teaching, we should be active in trying to influence the educational policies that try to run a teacher's classroom. As a lawyer, I am very interested in seeing our by-laws (which I have requested at least five times, my first request having been made in 2006) to determine whether we can do this. Second, I agree with Rafi that we are missing the damned point. I can not tell you how often I encounter some student who proudly informs me he has five points in English, and then can't proceed to produce a coherent English sentence. These central conversations about grades seem to miss the point that grades might simply not correlate so well to proficiency in usable English. Maybe we should implement another program to find out. Sorry, I forgot that I have some scientific training. Maybe we should conduct research on our target population before we force programs down people's throats. Maybe we should also conduct research on how people perform when their experience is one of being coerced. I apologize again. There is research on that as well, and it doesn't look good. Maybe we should just admit that we don't know, or that what we do know is not necessarily so easy for others to know or get. Or maybe we should give teachers a chance to follow their own lights and see where it leads them, and when they find gold, to let them share it with others, and let others choose what to take and how to wear it. I keep coming back to Ms. Geffen's theater work. I thought it was amazing, but also think that to try to force teachers to be directors would be a disaster. I think it is the same for any particular teaching method. If it's good and you want to encourage it, help each other out, but if another teacher gets more out of book days, or science fairs in English, or Singlish, or reading thousands of years of world poetry in English translation, or doing critical analysis of children's books, or project or games-based learning, or on-line or actual publication of student materials, we should encourage that too. But instead we sit and argue about the fairness of rubrics (can we say "teaching to the test"), or whether one blasted mandated method gives better grades than another. How much of our time is wasted on discussions of how fair the last module X was, or what dictionary the Ministry will allow, or which book is now approved as literature. It shouldn't matter whether teachers like HOTS or not, because HOTS, just like every program that came before, should not be mandated. This mandate, like any, chips away at the fun and love some portion of our teachers feel for their work and their subject. If we want to teach respect, maybe we should show some respect and empathy for them as well. Maybe we should just let them keep doing well what they have been doing well, and give support and suggestions to those who may not be feeling like they are succeeding in their chosen profession. We might even cut the attrition rate a little. And last, 500 at ETAI out of 14,000 teachers. Do we have these 14,000 teachers e-mails and demographic information. If we want to market conferences, a good e-mail list would be a start. Then we might also want to ask if they think there is something to be gained, or what would make it worthwhile for them to show up. If they feel like their teaching is circumscribed by the latest program, for which they just might be taking hishtalmuyot, they might find that the enrichment - provided by such thoughtful and engaging programs as Mr. Volk's on the Handyman, Ms. Esses' on Role Play, Ms. Schowahne's on Blogging, or Ms. Stone-Herman's or Project Based Learning - is surplusage that they could not fit into their program anyway. Consistency is not only the hobgoblin of small minds, but the bread and butter of the bureaucrats of the Israeli Ministry of Education. The English teacher's job is to help people learn English. It is possible that teachers might just do this best without being shoe-horned into either program A or B, or being micro-managed from above at all, or being held to account on one national test. The test is meaningless anyway. I presume that one purpose of knowing English in this English dominated world is so that people can review the literature relative to their profession. I can't tell you how often I have offered literature related to education - in English - to educators only to have them tell me they don't do English. So in sum, I say we should get out of good teachers' ways, support the teachers who need and want help, and spend our bagrut and inspectorate money on such worthwhile things as building age-appropriate English libraries. David R. Herz <mailto:drh16@xxxxxxxxxxx> drh16@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:davidrherz@xxxxxxxxx> davidrherz@xxxxxxxxx Skype: drherz 972-52-579-1859 1-203-517-0518 ************************************** ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** post to list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** David Lloyd: ETNI founder & manager http://david.greenlloyd.com ***************************************