[etni] Re: goal of English as a Second language in Israel
- From: Sergeiy Sandler <sergeiy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:50:17 +0300
Hi,
To answer Adele's question - well, there are a few communities, where
English-speaking immigrants are the majority, and even in other communities -
those immigrants might often have their meeting places, where they would speak
English. In a sense, English is in the same category with Russian in this
respect. But there's also a crucially important difference in numbers and
geographical distribution. Russian speakers are a significant portion of the
population literally all over the place, so we are more or less witnessing the
creation of an Israeli-Russian dialect for Russian speakers in Israel
(not yet recognised as such). This Russian dialect differs from the one spoken
in Russia, and has some common characteristics (explained mainly by Hebrew
influences on vocabulary and phonology, but also by a mixture of European and
Asian accents and dialects of Russian itself) . We also see second-generation
Russian speakers in Israel today, whose speech markedly differs from that of
Russians.
I would hesitate to say that is the case with English. There are
English-speaking immigrants in many places, but only a few English-speaking
communities. Is there an English dialect peculiar to Israel, but shared by
English-speakers all over the country?
In any case, as you might recall, I was responding to Doron's comments, and
Doron obviously did not have English-speaking immigrants in mind.
Thanks,
Sergeiy.
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From: "Adele Raemer and Laurie Levy" <raemer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Re: fw: Re: goal of English as a Second language in Israel
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:51:41 +0200
Dear All,
Reading this thread has been very interesting, but I would like to ask
Sergeiy what he meant when he wrote:
"There is no environment in Israel in which English actually lives as a
language, the way Hebrew, Arabic and Russian are."
In what environment does the Russian language live as a language in Israel,
differently than English does in communities with many English speaking
immigrants? (I apologize for my ignorance - I live in a "cocoon")
Adele
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