[etni] Re: literature exam
- From: sara g <saragabai@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:49:11 +0300
Hi Bari and the list,
OK - besides my many problems with this program, there is something I have
been wondering about and really don't understand about the bridging
question, which you mentioned.
What exactly do the set phrases:"How does this *quote/information* *help
you understand/ add to your understanding of* the poem (or story)?" mean?
Wouldn't it be better to ask how this information *connects* to the poem?
Or "After learning this new information, where do you see the author's life
reflected in the poem?" or something like this? (BTW, these are the types
of questions we use in our log units, in both the bridging task and the
bridging questions in the SA.)
Because the information in the given quote is usually so banal that if the
students has studied the poem in depth (or at least in as much depth as we
have time for,) I really don't see any of the quotes helping the student to
understand something NEW, that they didn't understand before.
thanks,
sara g
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Bari Nirenberg <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Actually, there's an entire session in the literature course about
> assessing the exam. Teachers are given sample answers from the pilot exam
> and are asked to assess them and then compare their assessment to that of
> the Bagrut markers. All of the information in the course about what's
> needed in the log applies to the exam, as well (not how the students are
> supposed to answer questions on the exam, but what teachers are required to
> do before sending students to the exam).
> Students are not asked to answer comprehension questions on three poems
> and/or stories. They are only required to answer questions on ONE poem or
> story and ONE play or novel (for five pointers) or TWO stories/ONE story
> and ONE poem (for four pointers). Some of these are basic comprehension
> questions (LOTS) and the others are HOTS questions which require the
> student to think more deeply about the text. Because there are two options
> for the exam, there are many more questions on the exam than the students
> are actually required to answer.
>
> Please note that the students are not asked to answer about the main ideas
> behind one of the texts (I assume you're referring to the bridging question
> here, because it's the only question that has that many lines for the
> answer). They are asked to connect new information that they are given to
> one of the texts. This is completely different and significant, as one of
> the biggest pitfalls of the exam is that students simply summarize the
> story or poem without relating to the new information and end up losing a
> lot of points.
>
> Bari
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Janette Segal <janjon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >wrote:
>
> > As for the literature bagrut exam- could it be that when teachers do the
> > literature course-they receive very good information about what's needed
> in
> > the LOG- and practically nothing about the EXAM?- ( I didn't get any
> > information at all about the exam in the course I took last year) I have
> > now looked at and studied the last three literature exams. I would say
> that
> > it's not a literature exam in the way that teachers from the States or
> > England would expect. For example, you are not asked to quote to support
> > your ideas, neither are you asked to write in much depth or in great
> > length. It's enough for the students to know the texts well and certainly
> > in detail- but not that thoroughly. The student is asked several short
> > comprehension questions on THREE texts (poems and stories) including
> > answering about 10 lines on the main ideas behind ONE of the texts. I
> > suggest that the literature course provides at least 50% of the time on
> > discussion and ideas in how to teach for the exam. Si
> > ncerely, Janette Segal
> >
> >
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