[etni] Re: school forces teacher to accept log really late and clearly totally copied
- From: קובי לביא <kobilavy@xxxxxxx>
- To: 'Etni' <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 05:55:14 +0300
Hi everyone,
I truly don't understand the schools who dare interfere with the log grades,
really. Cheating can be done everywhere and if a school can demand to check
a copied log then the same could be done during a bagrut exam and a teacher
can be asked to go into a classroom and give out answers (or even, god
forbid, write them on the board...). It's our integrity as TEACHERS to not
let such things happen.
I think what you did is absolutely right to just check the 3 summative
assessments and give the appropriate grade.
I also fail to understand teachers who wait to the end of the process and
just then check the whole log... what I do and so does my whole staff (I'm
the coordinator at my school) is that every completed unit that we finish
the students must hand it in (we give a dead line for each unit in the
course of the year/years we teach the log), this unit is checked and is
given a grade which is recorded and that's it. After we return it to the
student we don't see it again until it returns to us with the whole log
before the submission of the grades and even then we only look roughly at
the whole log (as we already have each unit grade) just to make sure that
everything is there in order to give the final 10% percent of teacher
evaluation, anything that isn't there can't be changed! The grade of the
unit remains the same! Only my 10 % is affected from everything that isn't
there.
We just sent the grades of 5 classes and there were many students who failed
module F or D because they didn't work. True the principle would have wanted
to see it different but that's just the way it is.
I don't think that if we are forced to "cheat" in the LOG then we should
turn to the exam - that's not the solution.
Kobi
Ashdod
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From: etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:etni-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mitzi Geffen
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 6:49 PM
To: Etni
Subject: [etni] Re: school forces teacher to accept log really late and
clearly totally copied
Hi,
Two years ago I also received a copied log, but, thankfully, when i made a
huge deal about it and brought it to the principal and told her that I would
not accept his log, she backed me up. Of course, the kid was in 11th grade,
so the "punishment" was that he had to show up for the 11th grade sessions
the following year when he was in 12th grade and do it again. he barely
passed the second time, but I kept an eagle eye out for copying.
It's really a shame that your school cares more about giving him a grade
than teaching him a lesson. If he cheats on an exam and gets caught, as many
kids do, his exam is invalid. It should certainly be the same for the log.
Mitzi
Mitzi
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Shem Ilui <nungfutz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I taught a class to four points and all passed. I was proud, they were
> not strong students. I continued teaching to five, g and the log, and
> some students decided to drop out - they had four and that was enough
> for them, and for many of them it was a right decision, given their
> overall workloads and level.
> One boy did about 3 summative tests, handed in no tasks at all during
> the year, and tended to ignore me and just play with his phone in
> class when he managed to come - so clearly he had given up on the work of
the log.
>
>
> He did pass G though, and a few days ago he turned up and wanted to do
> a log for me. I explained that it did not work like that.
>
> Then my merakez - under pressure from higher up - told me I had to
> accept whatever the boy handed in. So the boy gave me the log. It was
> just a copy
> - print out of a log I had already been given by his best friend,
> another student in the class who had worked seriously and
> painstakingly on his log, in consultation with me.
>
> A simple copy - I mean word for word, spelling mistake for spelling
> mistake, grammar mistake for grammar mistake, even the creative tasks
> - dialogues, letters from literary characters - were identical. He had
> just taken the Word file from his friend and printed it out again.
>
> So I told my merakez I cannot accept it, and that I thought was the
> end of it.
>
> The next day my merakez tells me I am making trouble for him, he has
> just come from a meeting with the headmaster and the boy's class
> teacher and tremendous pressure is being put on him, why am I making
> trouble, I may be right but this is not how things are done.
>
> So I marked the log, giving marks only for the three summative tests
> the boy had done and nothing else - a fail mark of course - and sent
> it in. I await further reaction from the school. Will they leave it alone
now?
>
> It is now clear why I must write this anonymously. Trouble or fuss
> makers in school are not liked. I should not mention this matter at
> all. Why rock the boat? I need my job. Other teachers tell me when
> they made a fuss about a case copying in the past they were sorry
> later. Just keep it quiet and give a mark, so I have been advised by a
> veteran teacher I like and respect.
>
> I think the log system is too open to abuse. Schools want the maximum
> number of passing students. They often choose not to stand up to
> parents who make a fuss or are connected. No fuss wanted. Unfair
> pressures are put on teachers who cannot risk offending the powers that
be.
>
> This really bothers me, but it has been made clear to me that I cannot
> stand up for what I believe in. And nobody is mentioning education, or
> the need to educate our students that this is not the way to succeed.
> The same day two others who had handed in no log asked if they can
> hand it in now too.
>
> I respectfully submit that there should just be exams for literature,
> as I believe there were years ago, before literature was dropped for a
while.
> The logs can be used to prepare for the exams.
>
>
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