[jawsscripts] Re: A Step Backwards

From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:24:03 -0400
Don,
Would you consider also posting a link to your scripts on
http://NonvisualDevelopment.org

You could keep the files on your server so the links are up to date even 
if you change the files on your server -- as long as the file names 
remained the same.

If you try this, the tag for JAWS scripting would naturally make sense. 
  If you have any problems with the site, post questions here or on the 
JAWS scripting list.  Jim Homme is helping me administer two 
Drupal-based sites:  NonvisualDevelopment.org and FruitBasketDemos.org. 
  We will try to fix problems that people report so that these sites can 
serve as good repositories for the blind programming community.

Jamal

On 3/19/2011 8:59 AM, Don Marang wrote:
> The scripts are available. It is in a separate file BrowserAddOns.jss
> that gets merged with Internet Explorer and Firefox during installation.
> It includes the Table Navigation Mode, a Record to DVR (schedules
> recordings on the DirecTV web site), and a few scripts that open the
> current page in IE or Firefox (good for switching browsers if Webvisum
> is needed). The record script is currently being rewritten due to
> DirecTV changing their website. However, the package also installs a
> script for DIRECTV2PC.jss, which never accomplished my goals of making
> that application accessible! It lets you view your recorded TV programs
> from your DVR on your PC. The newest versions of this beta program will
> stop the video as soon as it notices that there is the JAWS mirror
> display driver installed. It thinks I am making an illegal copy!
> DirecTV Scripts (version 1.0) Self Installing Version
> <http://mysite.verizon.net/marangs/DirecTV1.0.exe>
> Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk There
> is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real
> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
> working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen
> *From:* John G <mailto:jglists0@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:24 AM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: A Step Backwards
> What you describe below sounds like a sensible way of employing the
> table element.
> problems start when tables are used mainly to enhance visual
> presentation, and not necessarily to introduce layout semantics for the
> data thus presented. For example, personally, I think the use of tables
> for bringing together form elements and their corresponding text labels
> can be problematic, not to mention unnecessary.
> It's also worth mentioning that not every screen reader user finds table
> navigation an easy task. Therefore, in line with the general philosophy
> of UI design in the sighted world, I don't think it's unreasonable to
> expect tables to aid (rather than hinder) usability.
>
> is your script available to the public? it sounds like a useful thing to
> have around.
> Kind regards
> John
>
> At 07:03 19/03/2011, you wrote:
>> Is the information in a TV Guide layout considered a presentation or
>> data table? Is using a true html table considered bad form or not the
>> ideal accessibility solution? I personally picked the guide at
>> TitanTV.com because it shows all of the programs for 6 hours for all
>> of your favorite channels within a table. Using the Arrow keys while
>> holding down the Alt + Control keys lets me move around the table like
>> a spreadsheet. Actually I wrote a script that toggles me in or out of
>> a Table Navigation Mode so I do not need to hold down those keys. It
>> also announces the time slot (column heading) and channel (row header)
>> as I move around the table.
>>
>>
>> Don Marang
>> Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk      There is just so 
>> much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>> real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>> working
>> on things that matter.
>> -- Dean Kamen
>>
>>
>> On 3/16/2011 9:25 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>>> There are generally two thoughts on this decision.
>>>
>>> 1. People are going to use tables for layout, allowing for
>>> role="presentation" provides an explicit method of indicating that a
>>> table is part of presentation, and not semantic.
>>>
>>> 2. Tables should never be used for presentation, all markup should be
>>> semantic and all presentation should be performed with CSS.
>>>
>>> I am on the fence, it is most likely that those using tables for
>>> layout will not know or care about role="presentation". I prefer the
>>> standardist approach, where * all * markup is for semantics, and not
>>> for presentation. That being said, is this decision really going to
>>> make a big difference on the usability accessibility of a site,
>>> likely not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Everett Zufelt
>>> http://zufelt.ca
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2011-03-16, at 10:19 AM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't see that as a step backwards since they force the role
>>>> attribute.
>>>>
>>>> ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: A Step Backwards
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know about this?
>>>> begin extract
>>>>> Therefore, the HTML Working Group hereby adopts the "Allow tables
>>>> to be >used for presentational purposes" Proposal for ISSUE-130. Of
>>>> the Change Proposals before us, this one has drawn the weaker
>>>> objections.
>>>> In short, this means that HTML5 rescinds HTML4's guidance on the use
>>>> of the table markup structure for its presentational layout
>>>> attributes, such that such use will now be HTML5-valid, provided said
>>>> table has a role attribute set to "presentation" [1].
>>>> end extract
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