I guess you are manually switching between the jss files rather than the app
being made up of lots of executables that do that work for you.
I haven’t tried it but you could probably test easier than I could try and set
something up to work like you have it.
If a particular jss is in use I would expect the descriptions from the scripts
inside that file to be spoken with keyboard help on.
If the standard actions are spoken from non scripted keystrokes then I would
put up with that as those actions will still occur for those keystrokes and for
the simplicity of not having to rewrite the descriptions!
Bob
On 7 Oct 2018, at 20:33, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Bob. Ok, I'll explain and maybe it will become clearer.
I have a number of .jss files/sets that make up the solution for the app.
So, I have a main.jss, a TrackManager.jss, an ObjectEditor.jss, a
SystemSettings.jss, a MidiEditor.jss etc etc etc.
The reason for the scripts being separated is to maximize the efficiency of
each set. If all script was in 1 .jss, there is too much script in specific
functions and this affects the performance.
All sets work in conjunction with each other.
So, in the main.jss for example, control plus 1 will do 1 action in 1
window, another action in another window and so on. If it's the
normalization window, it does 1 thing, in the quantize window it does
another.
This is mirrored across all sets of scripts.
So, I created another .jss that handles all keys for all .jss files, called
KeyboardHelp.
In this file I have scripts that speak the name of the key, depending on
what window it is in. For example:
Script Control1 ()
Var
String strLocation
Let strLocation = getLocation()
SayCurrentScriptKeyLabel()
If IsVIPWindow(strLocation) Then
Say what this key does in the VIP window
ElIf IsObjectEditor(strLocation) Then
Say what this key does in the object editor
etc etc etc
EndIf
EndScript
This enables me to switch to this Keyboard Help.jss from any set and get
spoken feedback on each key, no matter what set was active.
Up until now I've been using a global to turn this fudged keyboard help
on/off. So, I'm in 1 set, insert 1 turns the global on and switches to the
keyboard help set. Then, with each press of a key, Jaws speaks what that
key does in the window you're currently in, but it doesn't stop you pressing
a key that isn't scrpted. If you do, then that action will take place.
The objective is to speak what that key does, while not allowing any other
key that isn't scripted to be executed. Now I'm using the standard
KeyboardHelp functions, I can switch to this set and no key is executed, but
all script keys are, I just need to add all the scripted keys to the
KeyboardHelpHook function. Only down side will be Jaws will speak what Jaws
does, if it's a key not scripted and it has a Jaws actions associated with
it.
I know this maybe a huge fudge, but it's something I've done with the
knowledge I had. Having only 1 script to handle what key does what was the
best way to go for me, as the whole solution has around 110 Jaws files.
Hope this gives you a clearer idea on things....and sorry if I've made it
worse lol. Best steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:24 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
Steve
Just to make sure I’m understanding.
You want your keys included in the keyboard help?
Your not trying to only have yours and not the default ones spoken?
If so just go to your script:
Script MyScript
;some code
EndScript
Press control+d
Fill in the description boxes.
This will be spoken for keyboard help.
If your trying to do something different you may need to explain further.
Bob
On 7 Oct 2018, at 18:16, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jonathan. At the moment I'm using the standard keybaord help, but with
specific scripted keys included. This means I have to add each script and
there's a few hundred, which is a pain.
Earlier today, I tried a method Udo posted, but I found keys were being
passed through the trap key function. So, a scripted key was OK, but a
key
native to the app that hadn't been assigned a script still activated while
in help mode. Now, with the standard keyboard help, all works OK, but I
have to add all the keys I need.
Best steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 6:03 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
I am confused as to why you can’t use the standard jaws key help
functions
from what you describe. So, I just want to make sure you are aware that
you
can update the JAWS help file associated with a specific script function
and
JAWS help can provide that information when in JAWS key help mode
Obviously
if your functions need to be more contextual, or you are attempting to to
do
other functionality then carry on, but I want to make sure you are not
attempting to just reproduce code that would that is part of the standard
functionality.
Take care,
Jonathan Cohn
.
On Oct 7, 2018, at 11:11 AM, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Udo. The IsScriptKey function also requires the name of the script to
check. So, specifying all keys is still necessary. I would have hoped
that
jaws was capable of knowing if a key is a script or not, without having
to
specify them all first.
So, if the key you press has a script associated with it, then run it,
otherwise don't do anything. Best Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Udo Egner-Walter
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 3:56 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
Hi Steve, hi Bob,
to check if a key is assigned to a script one can also use the function
IsScriptKey(). But I don't know how to stop it if TrapKeys and the hook
not working.
Reading for keys in the ini file is sensitive to errors because you
don't know if to search for "Control+Alt" or for "Alt+Control".
Udo
Am 07.10.2018 um 15:53 schrieb Steve Spamer:
Thanks Bob, that's an option. I suppose I'm just trying to be lazy, as
this
app has a few hundred scripted keys. Either way I'm going to have to
specify the keys or specify what to look for. Good news at the moment,
I
have it all working as I want it to, just need to add the actual keys I
want
the help to recognize. THX Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 2:35 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
Steve
You could use inireadstring on the jkm file to test if the keystroke is
in
use for this app.
Bob
On 7 Oct 2018, at 13:44, Steve Spamer <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Udo. I've tried the trap keys method and I'm still having
unscripted
keys (application default/unscripted keys) executed. Apart from that
it
works great.
I'll try the hook method and see if this makes any difference, as I
basically want it to work the same way the default keyboard help works.
This doesn't allow any unscripted key to be exacuted The trap keys
method
seems to me as if all possible combinations have to be specified,
rather
than just saying something like:
; if a script is associated with a keystroke
If IsScriptedKey() Then
; run the script, as the script is only speaking a message
Else
; if it's not a script, it's a native app key
Do nothing and just announce the key
EndIf
That seems to simplistic I know lol, but I would have thought this was
possible. Specifying all script keys seems pretty overkill....but I
know
things are never that straight forward <grin. THX Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Udo Egner-Walter
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2018 9:41 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
Hi Steve,
you don't need a hook necessarily. You can use TrapKey only for getting
control of the keys. For example:
<begin code>
; assign a shortcut to StartTrap to begin the trapping
Script StartTrap ()
TrapKeys (True, False)
EndScript
; end the trapping either by assigning a shortcut or by pressing ESC
(see ProcesskeyPressed)
Script EndTrap ()
TrapKeys (False)
EndScript
; here is the checking of the keys
Void Function ProcessKeyPressed (int iKeyCode, string sKeyName, int
IsBraille, int IsScriptKey)
; react on pressing F1
If sKeyName == "F1" then
SayString ("You pressed F1")
EndIf
; other keys ...
; End the trapping
If sKeyName == "ESCAPE" Then
PerformScript EndTrap ()
EndIf
; pass the function to other scripts
ProcessKeyPressed (iKeyCode, sKeyName, IsBraille, IsScriptKey)
EndFunction
<end code>
By the way if you need to process you own scripts, you can use the hook
too. For example:
<begin code>
; assign a shortcut to start trapping and the hook
Script StartHook ()
; Start hook function "MyHook"
AddHook (HK_SCRIPT, "MyHook")
; trap the keys
TrapKeys (True, False)
EndScript
; end the hook either by assigning a shortcut or by pressing ESC (see
ProcessKeyPressed)
Script EndHook ()
; no more trapping
TrapKeys (False)
; remove the hook
RemoveHook (HK_SCRIPT, "MyHook")
EndScript
; in the hook function you can decide which script to run
void Function MyHook (string sScriptname)
; if the script name is "YourScriptName" then
if sScriptName == "YourScriptName" then
; allow execution
return True
endIf
; if you want to end the hook you should allow EndHook to run
if sScriptName == "EndHook" then
; allow execution
return True
endIf
; no execution for other scripts
Return False
EndFunction
; Check for key pressing
Void Function ProcessKeyPressed (int iKeyCode, string sKeyName, int
IsBraille, int IsScriptKey)
; If F1 is pressed
If sKeyName == "F1" then
; execute your script
PerformScript YourScriptName ()
EndIf
; If ESC is pressed
If sKeyName == "ESCAPE" Then
; unhook and don't trap keys
PerformScript EndHook ()
EndIf
; pass event to other scripts
ProcessKeyPressed (iKeyCode, sKeyName, IsBraille, IsScriptKey)
EndFunction
<end code>
But be careful: the hook is still running if you switch to other
application so it's a good idea of releasing it in the AutoFinishEvent.
Hope this helps and good luck for your app
Udo
Am 06.10.2018 um 23:53 schrieb Steve Spamer:__________�
Hi, thanks so much. I'll take a fresher look at this tomorrow, as I
feel
I'm
nearly there. I've currently just copied across the keyboard help,
KeyboardHelpHook and UnhookKeybaordHelp to my scripts. I can add my
own
scripts to speak in the Keyboard HelpHook function, but stopping non
scripted keys are still getting through. I'm missing something, but
hopefully I'll see it with a refreshed brain :). Thanks again. Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Udo Egner-Walter
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 7:07 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Keyboard help
Hi Steve,
I'm not sure if I understand you.
If you install a hook in your application, for example
AddHook (HK_SCRIPT, "MyHook")
then inside the hook function "MyHook" you can allow a script to be
executed or not. All scripts had to pass the function and you alone
decide which scripts to execute.
If you further trap the keys with the TrapKeys function then the keys
were not sent to the application.
In the KeyPressedEvent of you application (or the like) the keys are
still arriving. So here you can decide what to do (for example start
your own script, end the hook and so on).
But please remember to uninstall the hook at the end. Otherwise the
default scripts are not running any more.
Hope this helps a little
Udo
Am 06.10.2018 um 19:36 schrieb Steve Spamer:__________�
Hi, a question on Jaws keyboard help.
I currently have a working solution that allows a user to turn on
keyboard
help and get descriptions of specific keys in any particular window.
All
of
this information is in a set of scripts that you switch to when
pressing
jaws key plus 1. It maybe not the most elegant solution, as it still
allows
any undocumented keys to be processed by the application.
So, looking at the Jaws help, I'm wondering if anyone knows if the
default
script could be modified to access the assigned keys I have, while
ignoring
any other key, so not letting it be processed. The lines of interest
in
the
default jaws cripts are I think:
AddHook (HK_SCRIPT, "KeyboardHelpHook")
; ignore any keys not attached to scripts
TrapKeys(TRUE)
CaptureAllGestures(TRUE)
The line:
AddHook (HK_SCRIPT, "KeyboardHelpHook")
looks to me as if this "KeyboardHelpHook" is where the information is
taken
from. Of course I am probably totally wrong, but if I could find
this,
it
may give me clues to what to do. Otherwise, is there a way to use
this
default script, but use information/keys I have in a set of scripts/
jkm
files etc.
THX Steve.
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