I don't live for your agreement, Tom, and I don't take bait, either. That's why I didn't respond to your passive-aggressive post about IP a few weeks back. I did like Al's response. The list has been going steadily downhill for many months, and I haven't aided or abetted it in any way. I made a conscious decision last fall while dealing with the death of my youngest brother to begin reduce my posting to this list. Others seem to have taken the hint as well. The "supremacy" of Bert makes for many funny moments, however. I'm not sure how it helps people learn anything of value. Now, to your point. Just what does this decoder after the demux do? Is that what you call a decompressor? And, just where does the packet reordering occur? Do you have any idea how to process the EIA-608 and EIA-708 caption data from the user data in the video stream? (I don't need much help in this area; but I've held off on writing a video decompressor. You want to talk about removing duplicate packets, and the finer points of a T-STD implementation? Tbsys, etc? I note this is a passive-aggressive jab of yours against me. I usually respond in an aggressive-aggressive manner. Mes, I likes the active voice. Have a good one. John Willkie ---- Hi John - I'm not sure whether I agree with anything you said but it's good to hear your authoritative and supportive tones again. ;-) Maybe it will get the list moving again. - Tom (tuner, demod, demux, decode, display, ...) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.