Richard Hollandsworth wrote: > Since a real analog picture is somewhat more black than white (to > prevent bloom), a "typical" on-air signal would have a long term PAR > of about 4 dB, which is 3 dB LOWER than DTV. Hence a 5 MW (peak) > analog transmitter would be closer to 2 MW (long term) average power. I'm having difficulty reconciling this with A/54 Figure 8.2 (that you pointed out). I'll use your estimate that long term NTSC PAR is on the order of 4 dB. Certainly, in extreme cases, the scrambled DTV signal will create instantaneous high peaks. That's when probability conspires to to create a lot of maxed out voltage signals after scrambling, huffman coding, and after mapping bit combinations to trellis coded 8-VSB symbol voltages. Since the ATSC pilot is highly attenuated, compared with an analog carrier, those peaks will look large compared with the average, in the ATSC case. But the 8 dB theoretical max PAR should occur virtually never, according to the figure. So it shouldn't be a burden to transmitter power sources. The figure also says that a PAR of 4 dB or greater, which is what you estimate for NTSC long term, will only occur about 5 percent of the time in ATSC. So to me, that means that a 4 dB PAR would also be a bit of an anomaly for ATSC, given that 95 percent of the time, the PAR would be less than that? Somehow, I think that the comparison of DTV vs analog should take into account the average PAR values measured over a standard time window, like seconds? Something that matters to the source of power to the transmitter. And then you're still left with trying to match analog image quality against a black screen for digital. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.