The "new" receivers that are so new that they are yet to enter the marketplace. John Willkie > -----Original Message----- > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Tony Neece > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:11 AM > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [opendtv] Re: White paper from CEA > > Thanks for the spelling correction. Wasn't sure how he spelled his = > name. =20 > Quoted from a New York Times article, June 24, 2004:=20 > > "LG's new technology is a giant leap toward addressing the multipath > reception problems," said Nat Ostroff, Sinclair vice president for new > technology. Now that consumers will easily be able to receive digital > broadcasts, "the incentive is there for us to go to full power." > > I also read a similar statement of his in TV Technology. From that > I gather Mr. Ostroff's position is that with the improved receivers, = > there > is no longer sufficient compelling benefit to COFDM as to warrant an on > going battle to revert back to square one with our DTV standards. =20 > > -----Original Message----- > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] = > On > Behalf Of John Willkie > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 11:17 PM > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [opendtv] Re: White paper from CEA > > Another little missed item: it's Nat Ostroff, not Osteroff, and just = > where > did he say this? (Care to comment, Nat?) > > John Willkie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Tony Neece > > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 5:43 AM > > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: White paper from CEA > >=20 > > The simple fact is that the broadcasters did at first promote DTT. = > Then > > along came the controversy over changing to COFDM. That caused =3D > > everything > > to come to a halt. STB R & D stopped. Sony and others pulled back = > =3D > > product > > in the pipeline as well as support for HD broadcast production. It = > =3D > > looked > > like VHS vs Beta again. With almost no receivers out there it would = > have > > been asinine for the broadcasters to heavily promote their Digital =3D > > service. > >=20 > > The next step came when the dust settled over the modulation standard, = > =3D > > and > > even Nat Osteroff, the most ardent supporter of COFDM, agreed that the > > improved equalizers for ATSC reception made COFDM a dead issue.=3D20 > >=20 > > What then happened was that the big retailers told the manufacturers = > =3D > > that > > they would be wasting their time to expend R&D on STBs, because the > > retailers had decided it was not in their interest to advertise and = > sell =3D > > an > > item that reduced the incentive to buy new TV sets or sign for Cable = > or =3D > > DBS. > > It was the retailers that killed the market. I read of one retailer = > =3D > > that > > actually told a TV station to STOP advising their viewers to get =3D > > converters, > > because they weren't selling them and didn't want people coming in =3D > > looking > > for them!!! =3D20 > >=20 > > Oh but how much more fun it is to blame the big bad broadcasters for = > the > > sluggish transition, despite that for 7 years now they have been =3D > > spending > > millions upon millions for new transmitters, new STL's, new terminal = > and > > studio equipment, even new towers in some cases, and a double or = > triple > > power bill at the transmitter sites. The broadcasters did this =3D > > willingly, > > even eagerly in most cases. The station personnel dug in to learn > > completely new technology and measurement technique. No small task = > =3D > > that. > >=20 > > It is just too much to expect the broadcaster to carry all the load, = > =3D > > when > > even now, DTT receivers are few and far between in the hands of = > viewers. > > Now, really, does anyone truly think the retailers would be eagerly = > =3D > > pushing > > DVB-T STBs if we had somehow gone that route?=3D20 > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx = > [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =3D > > On > > Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E > > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:29 PM > > To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [opendtv] Re: White paper from CEA > >=20 > > Frank wrote: > >=20 > > > Does anyone think there is any real chance that the > > > FCC could be convinced to reverse it's decision on > > > allowing COFDM? How many corporate executives are > > > foolish enough to bet their careers on a business > > > model that assumes such a change of heart will happen > > > at the FCC? > >=20 > > I agree completely. So what's stopping these corporate > > executives from playing in the ATSC market? > >=20 > > > That RFP is a joke. > >=20 > > That RFP is only a joke if the NAB allows to become a > > joke. In my opinion, it's a good way to kick start the > > market, because it should convince the CE guys that > > *broadcasters* are actually interested in DTT now, as > > opposed to before. And by the way, if anything, the > > NAB ought to include recording devices as well as > > bargain basement simple STBs. > >=20 > > > assuming anyone even responded to the RFP > >=20 > > I don't understand this. Are you saying that the NAB > > was just making it all up? > >=20 > > = > http://www.nab.org/newsroom/pressrel/Releases/100505_Thomson_LG_Converte > > rBox.htm > >=20 > > I thought they selected LG and Thomson. > >=20 > > > Most companies that are actually in the IC business > > > and highly capitalized have given up on that idea for > > > ATSC DTT. Good luck to any newcomers. > >=20 > > But the 5th gen LG chips exist, in quantity production, > > do they not? I don't understand what you're saying here > > either. And it looked like Micronas is also getting > > into the chip market, and perhaps Samsung too. > >=20 > > Leaving aside the conspiracy theory for why these DTT > > products aren't coming to market, the only rational > > explanation I can come up with is that the broadcasters > > have been so uninterested in pushing this transition > > that the CE guys saw no credible market out there. Maybe > > the CE guys are expecting OTA to die. (Or maybe Dale is > > correct, and the CE guys are *ensuring* that OTA will > > die.) I'll accept that poor performance was a good > > reason for broadcasters to be uininterested -- in the > > past! > >=20 > > Now that decent and low cost receivers have been demoed > > and that some of these are being sold (in LG integrated > > sets, anyway), the best way to get DTT going is for the > > broadcasters to get in the thick of the action, JUST > > LIKE their cable and DBS counterparts do. > >=20 > > Bert > >=20 > > =3D20 > > =3D20 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >=20 > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > FreeLists.org=3D20 > >=20 > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >=20 > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > > FreeLists.org > >=20 > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > =20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org=20 > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.