Just a question: In which FAQ list is this information supposed to be
available? I cannot find this anywhere on either projectaon.org or
magnamund.org, both of which do have FAQ documents-
/ Thomas
Den ons 9 dec. 2020 kl 20:47 skrev James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Gilbert, (and * all app developers* also please read below)
Thank you for the updates & link.
We have reviewed the content and it is a great playing experience – good
stuff!
There are a couple of things to call out, the first being to *ALL* app
developers.
*The copyright holders have now updated the FAQ for the AON license to
require their direct permission for new apps.*
I would recommend that you contact them, per the FAQ which I copy here, to
be on the safe side:
*"Q: Can I develop a new mobile app using the Lone Wolf gamebooks?*
*"A: Due to ongoing commercial projects by the copyright holders, until
further notice Project Aon cannot grant approval for any new mobile apps.
If you would like to develop a commercial app, please contact the rights
holders through Holmgard Press at magnamund.com <http://magnamund.com>."*
Regarding the app below, please can you include some text both on the app
page, and in the app itself, that indicates there are some changes to the
book experience (such as the character sheet & visuals for the combat
system)? – it would be good to add something along the lines of “the
original content is available at www.projection.org” or similar.
Thank you for the hard work on this, and we look forward to more books.
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
JD
*From:* projectaon-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <projectaon-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On
Behalf Of *Gilbert Gallo
*Sent:* 30 November 2020 07:13
*Cc:* projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; pamail.cgi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [projectaon] Re: Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi everybody!
You can download the ANDROID version here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.infinitymundi.flightfromthedark
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.infinitymundi.flightfromthedark&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca25747ff61e7447c658a08d894ff822e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423172403367373%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pq1fzjvsg2rag2TVD%2FoIj65wUngOH9rpwk3n4WsT2uA%3D&reserved=0>
It took about one year of hard work to do it, and we think it's ready now.
We think this cellphone-optimized app will help spread Joe's legacy all
over the world, especially to young people.
I want to sincerely thank James again for all his advice. Any other
feedback is welcome.
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 18:00, Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi everybody!
I want to reassure everybody that our app follows all the book's rules, as
per AON's license.
Thanks to James's tests, we are now creating a new release that will be
available soon.
@Demetrio, thank you for your interest. Please wait for the new release so
you can test the new version.
As always, thank you, everybody, for your support. I hope you are healthy
and safe.
Gilbert
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 00:15, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
I’ve played on a bit, and it looks like there have been changes to the
combat and backpack systems.
As I understand the license, this would not be allowed (and would be very
risky, as this will change the balance of the game.) I’m no lawyer though,
and if the estate has approved the changes they could be interesting.
JD.
*From:* James D
*Sent:* 28 November 2020 22:23
*To:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>; projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
pamail.cgi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi all!
I’ve taken a quick look, and it is really good – please do grab a link so
we can get some good playtesting in.
JD
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 28 November 2020 16:45
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:* projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; pamail.cgi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi everybody!
We've sent James a copy of the app so he can test it.
If anybody wishes to test it too, please contact us.
Gilbert
On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 14:40, Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi James!
I gladly confirm that alll content supplied from AON is fully hosted on
the AON servers. 😊
You will soon be able to test the app.
Thank you again for your time and assistance. 😊
Gilbert
Il lun 23 nov 2020, 12:40 James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha
scritto:
Hi Gilbert,
Can you please confirm that all content supplied from AON is fully hosted
on the AON servers?
This would include any text you may have copied/updated to make it work
with the app.
Normally, we would review the app before it goes live in the stores.
Just to also caveat that we are not in a position to provide any legal
advice with regards to the hosting, so if you have not done so already we
would advise checking in with the estate before publishing.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 23 November 2020 11:31
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
pamail.cgi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi everybody!
After months of hard work following James's instructions, we are ready to
release our Project Aon licensed FFTD app on the online stores.
Thank you very much everyone for your support, and a special thank you to
James for his advice.
We will provide you with store links asap.
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
Gilbert
Il lun 4 mag 2020, 22:58 Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx> ha
scritto:
I know and I really appreciate your help.
Thank you very much James.
I will let you know how things evolve :)
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:14, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Excellent 😊
I’m not being difficult here – the license is given to us by the estate –
we have no control over it at all.
Neither are we lawyers, but we have seen quite a few successful apps meet
the license conditions.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 20:12
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Ok, thank you very much.
We'll do our best to meet all requirements and create an app that will be
engaging for young people :)
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 20:42, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Only if you add the “download content” button – the content HAS to be
hosted on AON according to the license.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 19:41
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Ok, no problem for me for the text, we'll leave it as it is :)
What about distribution on the stores? Is that ok?
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 20:31, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gilbert
We don’t own the license, so can’t interpret or change it.
The license is explicit, and interpretations have been confirmed in
numerous cases.
To change it in any way, you will have to contact the estate directly I am
afraid.
Also, as far as I know you can’t change the text in any way – but please
feel free to check out the current apps to see what they have done – they
have become “precedent”.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 19:10
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi James!
Of course the Aon website will be one of the distributing sites, but if it
were the only one nobody would ever benefit of it since I guess most of the
people who visits the website already knows everything about Lone Wolf and
doesn't need our app at all. Our aim ( as well as Project Aon's aim if I'm
not mistaken) is *spreading Joe Dever's legacy worldwide*, and that goal
is mainly achieved if we distribute the app also on the main stores
(Amazon, Google Play and App store), as the other LW apps endorsed by
Project Aon do. Our App will be made in such a way that would *reach the
young people who don't know about Lone Wolf yet*. Imho it's pointless to
make an app that only people who already know about Project Aon would use.
Of course, text and images will stay the same. The only alteration that we
would suggest doing is taking away the "go to paragraph XXX" part from the
paragraphs, which is useful only in a pen-and paper gamebook otherwise is
pointless and in a teenager's mind is something "old" and "boring".
What's your opinion? In any case, thank you very much for your time and
for your help.
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 18:47, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If the app is only distributed from the AON site, and all text & images
are entirely unaltered from what the reader would see if they visited the
AON book, then it could work, yes.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 17:41
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi James!
That's perfectly fine.
We could arrange it this way: the FIRST thing the user sees is the License
Agreement. Either he Acctepts it in its entireness OR he cannot play the
app.
That way, everything would work, correct?
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 18:33, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The important part of the license is here –
2.1
The Authors and Illustrators grant you the right to receive a copy or
copies of the Internet Editions from the Distribution Point at no charge
provided that you agree to all of the terms and obligations of this
License. If you do not agree to all of the terms and obligations of this
License, you are not granted any rights by this License.
You agree to be bound by the terms and obligations of this License by the
act of receiving or viewing a copy of any portion of the Internet Editions
even though you have not signed a written document. Indeed, you have no
right to receive or view a copy or copies without first accepting this
License as legally valid and binding and agreeing to the terms and
obligations of this License.
So it is not about knowing where they came from – the end user has to
explicitly agree to the AON license BEFORE obtaining a copy of the work.
So – obtaining the companion app is fine, but the content must be
downloaded after explicit agreement to the license.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 15:51
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:* projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi everyone!
Of course, we will not ask people for a single cent. And IF people will
donate us any money we would gladly share it with you all.
Regarding the aspect of downloading text from project Aon we preferred to
put it directly into the App because online stores don't
like publishing apps who download third-parties content, fearing malware or
spam. Policies from stores change continuosly, for apps that were already
published, they tend to be more permissive(?) but for a new app it could be
a issue.
It recently happened to one of our apps and experienced lot of troubles
so we would rather not do it. Moreover, modern users (especially young
ones) tend to uninstall apps where you cannot immediately play but you have
to wait for a download.
We can, of course, make very clear the origin of the text and images,
referencing Project Aon web pages
Thank you very much for your kindness, as soon as the app is ready we will
give it to you to host it.
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 13:15, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gilbert,
Many thanks for the update.
We have a few potential gotchas we need to cover off.
The license means that all content must be downloaded by the end user from
the Project AON website. Several apps (including mobile) are already out
there – they simply include a button or similar for the user to click to
get text & images.
I’m sure you are aware that we can’t sanction charging for the app (that
would need to be cleared directly with the estate) – but there has been
precedent of a donation model in the past.
Once you have the app ready to launch, we will set up an area for you to
host the text etc.
You should also check out existing apps such as this:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.GDVGames.LoneWolfBiblio&hl=en
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.GDVGames.LoneWolfBiblio%26hl%3Den&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca25747ff61e7447c658a08d894ff822e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423172403377367%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=AyPmfE8LT7I75gJ4Cok6xcgg6RGElIjRqu2DRty%2BtpI%3D&reserved=0>
To ensure yours is sufficiently different.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 04 May 2020 11:49
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi everybody!
I'll gladly explain how our *Validator* works (please, excuse my
non-native English). It's a useful and * completely safe program* that
allows you to *simulate on your PC/Mac how the App will actually work on
mobile devices*.
Here is a short movie explaining what the Validator does (images/icons and
maps from Flight from the Dark are not included in this demo).
* FlightfromDark_demoapp_01.mov
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1gOj9PX_l4BtYdbf-KkHZc37DMaWQiPHM%2Fview%3Fusp%3Ddrive_web&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca25747ff61e7447c658a08d894ff822e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423172403377367%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=H%2BfgM48BIdilxi7zwPbCwQURYkUN60sGDDUw7P6HhkQ%3D&reserved=0>*
We perfectly know you are already hosting text and images on your website,
but in order to work with our app texts must be a little "processed" (i.e.
we have to add some "invisible commands" here and there in the text so the
app can work. This will not alter the text in any visible way). That's why
we will be happy to provide you the "processed" texts so you can make all
due checks. You just need to *download the validator for free* (
https://www.infinitymundi.com/validator
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infinitymundi.com%2Fvalidator&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca25747ff61e7447c658a08d894ff822e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423172403387364%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=UkC1nSrnnW%2B9y96PugL32l1ASuaCeVdXNh8dxz72f2g%3D&reserved=0>
) and
then you're ready to check every single detail about the future app.
My personal suggestion for a simple way to let you check our app is:
1. we create a *shared online folder* with google drive or Dropbox or
whatever hosting website you like
2. we will upload there everything you need to make tests
3. You can follow our project development in a completely free and easy
way as soon as you download the Validator.
Let me know if this is ok for you or if you have better suggestions on how
you prefer helping us out with our project. We are ready to do anything
that is needed to accomplish this feat together with you.
We at infinity Mundi are putting *all of our passion and efforts* in
creating a mobile app that will help spreading Lone Wolf's stories all
around the world. We love the work you do here at Project Aon and we are
sure *we will find a way to work wonders together*.
Thank you again for your attention and time, looking forward to your kind
reply,
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 01:03, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Well, I’m not about to install a third party app – please provide a lot
more detail about how this works.
You do not need to provide text or images – they come from the AON site.
JD.
*From:* Gilbert Gallo <gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* 03 May 2020 23:58
*To:* James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:* projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* Re: [projectaon] Hosting a new app on Project Aon
Hi there!
Thank you for the swift reply!
The app is 90% ready, I am doing the final adjustments.
We usually use a tool called the "Validator" in order to check the app:
https://www.infinitymundi.com/validator
<https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infinitymundi.com%2Fvalidator&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca25747ff61e7447c658a08d894ff822e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423172403397359%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=J6%2BI81SMjJxA9%2FIZ2kv5R8XxNdde06pXmbeQAcPfzNs%3D&reserved=0>
All you need to test the App is the Validator, the .txt files and the
images (I can send both as soon as they are ready).
Let me know how we should go on.
For Sommerlund and the Kai!
Gilbert
On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 00:51, James D <james.durrant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gilbert,
Congrats on the app and welcome to the family!
Please can you send details on how to preview the app so we can
investigate hosting options.
For Summerland and the Kai!
JD
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The following was sent from the Project Aon contact form
From: Gilbert Gallo gilbertgallo@xxxxxxxxx
Date: 22:42:29 on Sunday, May 3, 2020
Subject: Hosting a new app on Project Aon
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Hi everyone!
My name is Gilbert, I am a huge LW fan and I posted in the forum months
ago that I was developing a new app for Android/Ios that allows readers to
enjoy Flight from the Dark.
I want to abide by the Project Aon license so I'd like your feedback and
help about hosting the app here .
Could you please be so kind and assist me in this endeavour?
Thank you very much for your time, looking forward to your kind answer,
Gilbert
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