hi flor, thank you for this very detailed article, it was certainly worth reading and very interesting, he certainly did his work for us. thanks once again. jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flor Lynch" <florlync@xxxxxx> To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: [vicsireland] Fw: [gps-talkusers] my comparison of Mobile Geo and Way finder Access > This is long. But it's a good article, and was sent by its author, Mike > Arrigo, to quite a few lists. It isn't often we get a review with > worked-out comparisons between two different GPS products. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:29 AM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] my comparison of Mobile Geo and Way finder Access > > > Hello everyone. Since I do have phones that use windows mobile and the > symbian platforms, I did purchase way finder access > > and Mobile Geo, which allows me to have GPS features on both operating > systems. Since I have both, I thought I would post my > > thoughts on both of them. Both are good products, but there are some > differences which I will mention. First though, in > > fairness, way finder access has been out for around a year, where as mobile > geo was just released recently, and I'm sure both > > will improve over time. Also, remember that these are only my views on each > product. A feature that is important to one > > person may not be to another. Fortunately, you can try each product before > purchasing it. Also, currently Way Finder Access > > only works on the Symbian operating system, where as Mobile Geo only works > on Windows Mobile. So, the type of phone you have > > will determine which product you will need to purchase, unless you choose to > switch phones. > Before I get in to the details and comparing of each product, let me say > that I think both products provide the functionality > > a blind person needs to explore their environment and navigate to a > destination. There are advantages and disadvantages to > > each which I will talk about, but when it's all said and done, I think both > products are fairly even. Now let's compare some > > aspects of each in more detail. > First, the method of storing the maps is different for the two products. For > Mobile Geo, you download the maps, and store > > them on a memory card in your phone. This has advantages and disadvantages. > You don't have to be in a coverage area for the > > product to work. However, if you travel to another state for example, you > must remember to load the maps for that state, or > > hope that you will be able to access a computer once you arrive in order to > do this. Way Finder Access on the other hand, > > gets its map information from the internet as it needs it. The advantage > here is that you don't have to worry about loading > > new maps in to your phone when traveling since they will be downloaded when > needed. Of course, if you should happen to be in > > an area with no cell coverage, this won't work. For this reason, way finder > access does allow you to load the maps in to your > > phone the same way Mobile Geo does. That said, cell carriers have quite good > coverage now a days, so while it's possible this > > could be a problem, I would say it's highly unlikely. Also, since Access > only works with Symbian phones, and Symbian phones > > only work with GSM, in the United States you are limited to using either > AT&T or T-Mobile. On the other hand, there are > > Windows Mobile phones for GSM and CDMA carriers, so Mobile Geo supports more > devices. Personally, I think GSM is a better way > > to go for a few reasons. First, it's considered the global standard for cell > phones, and is used throughout the world. > > Second, your phone number is stored on a card, not in the phone itself. This > allows you to switch phones by simply moving the > > card to a different phone, and you are not limited to the phones that the > carrier provides. In order to use Way Finder > > Access, you do need a data plan, and I will talk more about that in the > section on pricing for each product. > One reason many blind people purchase a GPS product is to know more about > their surroundings, such as intersections, and > > businesses that are close by. I'm going to talk about intersections and > points of interest separately because the comparisons > > for both GPS products are different. > Both products provide features to automatically announce what you are close > to. Mobile geo provides the look around > > announcements, and you can set what information you want to know about, such > as street crossings and points of interest. > > Access provides different views you can switch to, such as cross roads near > by, places near by, and all near by which > > combines both of these. > In the case of Mobile Geo, if you have the look around announcements > enabled, the software will announce the street you are > > on when it starts, and will tell you what street you are approaching by > telling you what street is ahead of you, or it may > > indicate the approaching street is slightly to the left or slightly to the > right. It also provides commands for obtaining > > more details about intersections you are close to. > Rather than indicating streets are on your left or right, way finder access > tells you the direction of the closest > > intersection. For example, it may indicate that an intersection is 200 feet > north. Access also announces this as degrees, and > > I do hope they add a feature to disable this, as not everyone is interested > in the distance in degrees, feet and miles are > > much more meaningful. While Access does not indicate if the crossing is > ahead or behind you, it is still obvious for a couple > > of reasons. First, if you use the "where am I" feature, access will tell you > the city you are in, the street you are on, and > > the direction you are traveling in. So, for example, if the software > indicates you are walking north, and indicates an > > intersection is north, north east, or north west, it's obvious you are > approaching it. Also, Access has the ability to > > automatically update the list of intersections based on a time interval that > you set, and if the number of feet to an > > intersection is decreasing, you are obviously approaching it. As far as I > know, Mobile Geo does not provide a way to adjust > > the time between updates for the look around announcements, it's hard coded > at 30 seconds. Way finder access also provides a > > command to obtain more information about the intersection. So again, for > automatically announcing street crossings near by, I > > believe both products are equal. > Now let's look at how both products provide information about places that > are close to you, also known as points of interest. > > The type of information provided is similar to what is provided for > intersections. That is, mobile geo will announce for > > example that McDonalds is 200 feet ahead and slightly to the right, where as > way finder access would say something like 200 > > feet north east, 38 degrees, Mcdonalds. So, if you used the where am I > feature in access and it said you were heading north, > > you would know that McDonalds was slightly on your right, since East is a > quarter turn to the right, and north east is less > > than a quarter turn. Both products provide a method for obtaining more > information about a point of interest, such > > as address, phone number etc. You can even automatically call the place if > you wish. > Way Finder Access does currently have an issue where it does not > automatically announce every point of interest in it's > > database. So, at this time, Mobile Geo will automatically announce more > places as you pass them then Way Finder Access does. > > Hopefully this is something that will be fixed soon. A good example of this > is an ice cream place near where I live in Saint > > Louis. In the places near by or all near by views, it is never announced > even when passing it. However, if I do a search for > > it by name, it is found and I can create a root to it. Both products allow > you to set the categories of places you are > > interested in hearing about. For now, when it comes to automatically > announcing places close to you, I would give mobile geo > > the advantage because it announces more places. If the issue I mentioned can > be corrected, so all points of interest are > > shown in the places and all near by views, I think they both would be about > equal. > Besides obtaining information about what is in your environment, the other > main purpose for having a GPS system is to receive > > directions for getting from one place to another. Both products provide this > feature, and I will do some comparisons of these > > features for you. > First let's look at creating a root to a place that you are close to, which > may have been announced by the look around > > feature of Mobile Geo or in the places near by or all near by views of Way > Finder Access. It is quite easy to create a root > > here, on the Mobile Geo main screen, press enter on the point of interest > which will give you more information about it such > > as address and phone number. If you press enter again, you can choose to set > it as your destination and whether to create a > > vehicle or padestrian root. In way finder access, in the places near by or > all near by views, move to the business you want > > to create the root for, and press the left soft key to open the options > menu. From here, you can choose to get more > > information such as the address and phone number, or to navigate to the > place, which creates the root. The type of root that > > is created, vehicle or padestrian is determined by changing an option in the > settings screen of the program. One thing I > > would suggest for way finder access is that it would allow you to select > vehicle or padestrian when creating the root rather > > than having to go to the settings screen to do this. In Way Finder Access, > there is also a setting to determine how a root is created, either for the > least distance, or the fastest way. Usually, for a vehicle root, you want to > choose the fastest way, and for a padestrian root, you will want to choose > the least distance, but it's up to you in either case. Both products allow > you to access other points of interest besides the > > one that is closest to you. For mobile geo, doing a long press of the number > 8 on the keypad will open a list of places that > > are close to you along with their location from where you are. In Way Finder > Access, there is no need to access a different > > screen. If you are in the places near by view, the closest place is shown > first, if you want to see others that are close by, > > just arrow down. Both products will allow you to create a root to a point of > interest using the methods described above. > Now let's talk about creating a root to an address or place of business you > may not be close to. Both products allow you to > > do this, however, this is where I believe more work needs to be done in > Mobile Geo to make this more user friendly. In > > fairness, again, this is only the first release and I'm sure this will get > better as the product evolves. The quickest way to > > create a root is to do a long press of the number 2 on the keypad, then > choose set destination. You now need to select a city > > to use if a default city has not been set. You can choose a default city > that will always be used which will allow you to > > avoid this step. You then press the left soft key to go to the next screen > where you enter the house number, not the street > > yet. Press the left soft key again and type the street name. Press the left > soft key once again and the program will search > > for the street. If more than one is found, select the appropriate street > from the list, and you can then choose what type of > > root to create. Assuming your GPS receiver is connected, the root will then > be created from your location to the destination. > If you want to search for a place of business you must go to a different > screen, the long press of number 2 only searches for > > addresses. For this, press the left soft key for the functions menu, and > choose search, then choose advanced search. Now > > enter the minimum distance from your location and press the left soft key to > go to the next screen, then enter the maximum > > distance away from where you are that you want to search. Press the left > soft key again, and choose the category of place you > > are searching for. Press the left soft key again, and choose the subcategory > if any, then press the left soft key once again. > > You can now enter the name of the place you are looking for, or just leave > this blank if you want to see all places in the > > category you have chosen. Press the left soft key one more time and the > program will now conduct the search. When the list > > appears, you can select the item you want, and create a root using the > method I have already described. > The way all of this is done in Way Finder Access, at least in my opinion is > far easier and less cluttered. In Way Finder > > Access, arrow to search and select it. You can now type either the name of a > business or a complete address, no need for two > > different screens. While Access does provide a place to enter a city or zip > code, and a state, if you leave these blank and > > your GPS is connected, it assumes that you want to search in the city where > you are based on the information from the GPS. I > > don't know how many miles it does for the search, at least 100 I think, > which could produce quite a few results if you search > > for a common place such as McDonalds for instance. If you want to limit your > search to a category, press the left soft key to > > open the options menu, and choose select category. Also, if you just want to > search for a category around where you are such > > as a resturaunt, leave the field blank where you would enter the address or > business name, and choose select category from > > the options menu. Press the left soft key to open the options menu, and > select search. Assuming a match is found, the search > > results list appears. Select the result that matches what you want, and the > root is created based again on how you have this > > set in the settings screen. At this point, I think it is much faster and > easier to do a search for a point of interest or > > address in Way Finder Access. Both of these are done from one screen, an > address can be entered all at once, and there is no > > need to set default cities or choose the city you want each time. If the > city, zip code and > > state are not entered, Access assumes, rightly so, that you want the search > to take place in the area where you are. You only > > need to fill in these fields if perhaps you are going on a long vehicle > trip. Hopefully, in Mobile Geo, this process will > > become less cluttered in the future. The one suggestion I would have for Way > Finder Access in this area is to allow you to > > limit the search to a certain number of miles or kilometers in case you want > to make your search in a certain distance range. > Ok, we have looked at searching for an address or business, now what about > root creation, instructions to guide you, and > > handling a situation where you may go off track. When it comes to creating > the root, by far, Way Finder Access is faster. > > There is really no comparison here. On any of my Symbian phones, after > selecting the item from the results screen, the root > > is created in a very short time, at most 5 seconds. This is because the root > creation is not actually done by the phone > > itself. What happens is, a request is sent through the internet to the way > finder server. The server actually creates the > > root, then sends it to your phone. Obviously this could be a problem if you > were trying to create a root in an area where > > cell coverage is not available, but again, with the coverage carriers have > now, this is highly unlikely. Also, once your > > phone has the root, even if you were to lose the coverage for some reason, > you would still continue to receive instructions > > for this root. The only time you may have a problem is if you were to go off > of your root, and that particular spot had no > > coverage. In that case, the program would not be able to create a new root > from where you were, but again, the chance of > > having no coverage at that point is very slim. > For Mobile Geo, at least on the phone I am using, it takes quite a bit > longer to create a root, usually around 20 to 30 > > seconds. I am using an HTC Mteor with 128 MB of memory, about 40 MB free, > with the maps on a memory card. The processor is a > > 300 MHZ processor, which is fast for a Mobile Phone. It's running Windows > Mobile 5, and there are no firmware updates for it, > > so I'm assuming the firmware is current. Also, when calculating a few roots, > the connection to the receiver was lost, so I > > needed to reconnect and then recreate the root. I'm not sure if this is > actually a Mobile Geo problem, or a problem with > > Windows Mobile itself, but it is something to be aware of, and I don't think > it's the receiver, since it has happened with a > > few different ones that I have. > Once the root has been created, you will begin to receive instructions as > you travel. Mobile Geo provides two methods for > > following the root, you can have it only announce the points that require > you to make a turn or do something else such as > > exit the highway, or it can announce every point in the root. My suggestion > is to only have it announce points where you must > > do something, having every way point announced, at least for me, is far too > much information run together, especially while > > on a highway. Granted, some of the highways we have around here have long > names on the map, so I don't know if this would > > always be the case. Even when set to only mention the way points where you > must do something, some times this still is too > > verbose and runs together. For one thing, a setting should be provided to > not mention the way point number in the root, also, > > especially on a highway, the program repeats the instruction to continue > ahead on the highway several times. In the roots I > > tested the program with, the person doing the driving already knew where to > go, but if this wasn't the case, it could be > > difficult for the user to sort out the information given in each instruction > and then relay it appropriately to the driver. > > This wasn't as much of a problem on streets, since the instruction would > simply say something like, turn right and go south > > on first street. Also, while on a highway, I needed to turn off the look > around announcements because between that and the > > instructions, it's way too much speech. Again, some of this could be the way > the highways are named here, but it's definitely > > something to be aware of. Also, while you can always check the distance to > your next turn, this is not automatically > > announced until there is only 0.4 miles to that turn. That may not always be > enough time for the driver to prepare for the > > turn, this should probably either be a user setting or at least be increased > to one mile for the first automatic message. > Way Finder Access takes a bit of a different approach for the instructions. > If you create a vehicle root, the guide view > > shows the distance to the next turn and what street to turn on or exit the > highway to. This can be read with your screen > > reader. A female voice provides the actual instructions. However, when > instructing you to turn, she does not say the street > > names, this may or may not be important, but you can always find out what > the street is by using your screen reader to read > > the guide view. Typical things she will say include "In a quarter of a mile, > turn left," and "turn left here." She will also > > tell you when to exit a highway, and to keep left or keep right if getting > in a certain lane is important. She will also tell > > you when you have reached the destination, or if you go off track. Though > she doesn't say the street names, none of the > > drivers I have been with have problems following the instructions, and > remember that you can always find out the name of the > > street to turn on by reading the guide tab. Way Finder Access also provides > a turn instruction much earlier so the driver can > > prepare for the turn. THe first prompt comes when the turn is in 2 miles. > The next is 1 mile, then a half a mile, a quarter > > of a mile, 500 feet, and finally the turn left or turn right here prompt. If > that is too many prompts, you can decrease this > > so only the last few are given. > When you create a padestrian root in Access, by default, the female voice is > muted, and your screen reader, either talks or > > mobile speak provides the instructions. For these roots, the street names > are spoken. For example, you might hear "Walk 500 > > feet then turn right in to First Street. Of course, you are also told > exactly when to turn at the appropriate times. While > > the direction of travel is not given in the instructions, you can always use > the where am I feature by pressing 8 on the > > keypad, which will tell you the street you are on and your direction of > travel. In a padestrian root, the screen reader will > > also tell you when you reach your destination or if you go off track. I > haven't tested Mobile Geo yet with a padestrian root, > > hoping to do that next week, however I have had no problems getting to > places using the instructions in a Padestrian root in > > Way Finder Access. To summarize this section, I think both products provide > good instructions to get you where you need to > > go. I think Mobile Geo needs more options for eliminating some of the speech > in the instructions, particularly the way point > > number in the root. Perhaps Way Finder Access could include the direction of > travel in the instructions for Padestrian roots > > in a future release. > What about the ability to know what you are close to while on a root? Both > products allow you to monitor the streets and > > places you are passing while on a root. In the case of Mobile Geo, the look > around feature works while on a root, so streets > > and places will be announced along with the instructions. Depending on the > root you are taking though, this may produce too much speech, especially if > you are dealing with long names, but the feature is available if you wish. > In Way finder Access, you have a few options available. The program provides > a feature called "Around you. This view is most > > useful while on a padestrian root. It provides instructions for the root, as > well as announcing a point of interest or > > intersection as you pass it. By default, the female voice is muted for > padestrian roots, but you can override this in > > settings and bring her back. If you do this, you can then switch to the > other views such as places near by, or cross roads > > near by, and they will read and update as usual. In that case, your screen > reader will read those views, telling you what you > > are passing, and the female voice will give you the turn instructions. The > one thing you will lose though if you use this > > approach is having the name of the street you will be turning on announced. > Other than that, it works fine. If you need to > > know the streets you are turning on, and also want to know what you are > passing, the "around you" view is a better choice. In > > short, I think both products are equal here. Both will allow you to monitor > your environment while still providing > > instructions for a root. > Both products have a feature that will recalculate the root if you miss a > turn or otherwise diviate from the root. However, > > though I had this enabled when testing it with Mobile Geo, for some reason, > it did not work at all. To explain what happened, > > I need to tell you a little about my street. There is an exit to my street > from the highway, the only thing is, when getting > > off the highway on to my street, you will be on the wrong side. Both Mobile > Geo and Way Finder Access must realize this, > > because both products include a turn somewhere in the root to go around the > block, thus putting you on the correct side of > > the street. However, many times, those who are familiar with this area will > simply stay on the street all the way, then make > > a u turn at the destination. Neither product includes instructions for > making a u turn like this, and that's probably a good > > thing since this can be unsafe. So, using Mobile Geo, we got off the > highway, and it wanted us to turn on to another street > > in order to circle the block. The person I was with has driven this way > countless times and always just continues to my > > place, then does the u turn to get on the correct side of the street. So, > rather than following Geo's instruction, we > > remained straight. Though the option to automatically reroot was enabled, > Mobile Geo never recalculated the root, or even > > indicated that we had reached the destination when we pulled in. When > checking the next turn, it was still indicating the > > turn we passed and that it was a couple miles behind us. I'm not sure what > happened here, I will test this again next week on > > the bus to work, since the root the bus takes is not the most direct way to > that destination. But, at least for the root I > > tested Mobile Geo with, it failed the reroot test completely. > Way Finder Access on the other hand handles this situation without problems. > It has never failed to reroot, at least for me. > > I took the exact same trip home the evening of Thanksgiving, and when Access > said to turn, we didn't. We continued straight, > > and as expected the Way Finder female voice gave us the friendly message > that we were off track. It rerooted, and after the u > > turn, as we pulled up to my apartment, told us we had reached the > destination. I have tested Way Finder Access in other > > situations like this as well, some times the person I am with will choose to > go a different way perhaps to avoid a long > > traffic light. Access has never failed to reroot at those times. I will do > more testing with Mobile Geo next week with the > > reroot feature, I'm hoping that this was just an isolated case, otherwise > this is a serious bug. > Well, we have looked at creating and following roots in real time, what > about exploring everything virtually? Is it possible > > to have a look at other places to find out what interesting businesses or > streets are in those areas? The answer is yes for > > both products. It is also possible to create a root, then have a detailed > look at the root without actually walking or > > driving around. In Mobile Geo, you can press 7 on the phone keypad, and this > will switch you to virtual mode. From here, you > > can move up down left and right to explore everything on the map. If you > switched to virtual mode while connected to a GPS > > receiver, your virtual position will start where the GPS says you are, > unless you have set a virtual position manually. In > > the case of Way Finder Access, you can go to the map view, and move around, > and your screen reader will announce the streets > > you land on. If you want to explore an area other than where you are, you > can set a virtual position just as you can with > > Mobile Geo. To do this in Access, first select disconnect from GPS from the > options menu. Now go to the search screen, and > > enter an address or point of interest that you want to use as your virtual > position. In this case, you will need to enter > > information such as city or zip code and state. Now press the left soft key > and choose search from the options menu. Select > > the result you want, then open the options menu again and choose use as > position. Way Finder Access will now pretend you are > > at this location, you can explore the map, or use the different views to > find out what is around this area. This also works > > in Mobile Geo. That is, you can enter an address or find a place on the map, > and tell Geo to treat this as your virtual > > position. From here, you can do a long press of 8, and the points of > interest will be provided relative to this position. > > With both products, when you are done traveling in the virtual world, it's > quite easy to warp yourself back to where you are > > in reality. In Mobile Geo, just press 7 on the keypad again, and at an > amazing warp speed, your position is transported back > > to where you are, as indicated by the GPS. In Way Finder Access, from the > main screen, press the left soft key for the > > options menu, and choose connect to GPS. Just like that, in the blink of an > eye, the virtual world will fade away, and the > > software will once again indicate where you are in the real world. > Whether you create a root from a virtual starting position or from your GPS > position, it is possible with both products to > > have a good look at the root without actually driving or walking it. In > Mobile Geo, pressing 6 on the phone keypad will tell > > you the next turn you will need to take. If you press 6 again within 6 > seconds, the next turn will be given. You can continue > > doing this to see all of the turning points in the root. If you would rather > see the root point by point, just do a long > > press of number 6. You can now cursor through each point and take as much > time as you want in order to familiarize yourself > > with the root. > Way Finder Access also provides two different ways to study a root. Once a > root is created, you can go to the itinerary view, > > and arrow through each step of the root. This will indicate all turns, as > well as entering and exiting highways. One item > > that can be a bit confusing here, for each step of the root, two distance > numbers are given, and some times the speech runs > > these together. The first distance given is how far to travel before the > next turn or exit, and the second number is the > > distance traveled for the entire root. > The other feature Access provides allows you to play the root. That is, the > program pretends you are actually > > driving or walking, and gives all of the prompts acordingly. To do this, > press the left soft key for the options menu, choose > > root, and select play. There are also options to speed up or slow down how > fast the root is traveled. If you have some > > useable vision, there is a setting you can enable to always show your > position on the map. This could also be useful for your > > driver as it will allow them to actually view the entire root on the map > beforehand. If a root is playing, and the option to > > show the position on the map is enabled, you can go to the map view, and the > map will actually move as if you are driving or walking the root. Though I > do not have enough vision to see the map, I have been told that the quality > of the map that is displayed is quite good. So in summary, I think both > products provide a good way to enter the virtual travel world, and study > roots without actually driving or walking them. > What about getting a GPS status? That is, finding out how good the signal is > from the satellites? Both products will do this, > > but I think Mobile Geo does this far better. By pressing 0 on the phone > keypad, Geo will tell you how many satellites you are > > tracking, as well as the signal quality, such as fair, good, or WAZ which is > the best quality. It will also indicate how > > accurately your receiver is able to determine your position in feet. So, if > it indicates 10 or 12 feet, you are getting a > > much more accurate reading than something like 30 feet. > In Way Finder Access, you can press 2 on the phone keypad, and this will > take you to a screen with several items that you can > > arrow through such as your direction, speed, latitude, etc. One of the items > here is the GPS status, but it only tells you a > > percentage, such as 100 percent, 66 percent, etc. Obviously, 100 percent is > the best, but I really do think that Way Finder > > Access should provide the status information that Mobile Geo does, as it is > much more informative. > The last area I want to cover is the price of each product. Since each > product only works on one platform, you will need to > > purchase the appropriate product for that platform. Also, prices can change, > so the prices I'm mentioning here are not set in > > stone. I'm going to assume that you already have a phone and screen reader, > so these prices are just for the GPS > > functionality. At this time, Mobile Geo is $845 for the United States map > coverage, and Way Finder Access is $280. Also, if your phone does not have a > built in GPS receiver, an external one is between $50 and $80. On the > > surface, it looks like Way Finder Access is quite a bit cheaper, but there > is a bit more to it. Remember that with Way Finder > > Access, you need a data plan. You can choose to pay for data as you use it, > although depending on how much data you download, > > this can add up. The prices I'm going to give you here are for the unlimited > plans for the two GSM carriers in the United > > States. For AT&T, the media net plan is what you would need, and that is $15 > a month. For t-mobile, it's $19.99 a month, So, if you are with AT&T, and > purchase Way Finder Access and the data plan, after two years, you will have > spent $640. That's still less than the initial cost of Mobile Geo. For > T-mobile, the > > price for Access and two years of the data plan would be $759.76, a bit > closer to Geo's price, but still a bit less. The only > > way I could see the cost of Way Finder Access passing Mobile Geo's price is > if there is no charge to upgrade the software and > > the maps for a few years, and that may or may not happen. So, at this point > at least, Mobile Geo has a higher price. > Well everyone, we have arrived at our destination, the end of this review. > Thank you for taking the time to read this review > > and comparison, I do hope you have found it to be of value. I have tried my > best to compare the two GPS systems for mobile > > phones, and point out their advantages and disadvantages. I believe both > products do a good job of making GPS accessible for > > blind people, and as time goes on, I hope both products will continue to get > better. I do think we should extend our thanks > > to all of these companies for working to make this technology accessible. I > was actually in an electronics store earlier > > today, and all of the mainstream GPS systems they had used touch screens. > There is currently no way a blind person would be > > able to use one of these. Yet, thanks to the folks at Way Finder, Sendero > and Code Factory, we are able to utilize this > > technology and get the same benefits from it that sighted people do. For > that, I know myself and many other blind people say > > thank you! > If you have any other questions or comments about this review, feel free to > email me, my address is n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Again, thanks for reading, and happy traveling! > > > > =========================================================== > The vicsireland mailing list > > To unsubscribe at any time send a mail to: > > vicsireland-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > with the word "unsubscribe", without the quotes in the subject of the message. > > To contact the moderator send mail to: > > tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx > > For mor information on the Visually Impaired Computer Society visit: > > http://www.vicsireland.org > > =========================================================== The vicsireland mailing list To unsubscribe at any time send a mail to: vicsireland-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe", without the quotes in the subject of the message. 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