Blankhi folks something weird is happening in my outlook express only as of today. i have a vics folder where incoming mail automatically goes. but today i went to send a message to the list and though outlook said it was sent it went into my deleted items folder. so i sent a copy of the message to myself and again it went to the deleted items folder. i have gotten rid of all my message rules in case there is a conflict somewhere but since i haven't made any for a few months i don't know why a conflict in message rules should only happen now ,if that's the case. this message is being sent by using alt if and n or the usual new message route. could anyone who receives it refer to the alt f n message. i am going to try sending one using the reply to sender route to see if that gets through. any help appreciated regards Paul H