Hi Jeff. Cant anser for the desktop mac situation but certainly most devices that have Braille input capabilities support grade two input under IOS 5.1. I do this all the time with both the Alva and Brailliant I. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jeff flint Sent: 19 April 2012 15:00 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] APPLE and Braille Hi All, I am doing really well with Braille, I love it. Discovering I can input in grade 2 and have an instant translation on screen in text is wonderful but can I do this with apple, either IPAD or desktop? Jeff