Phil - the site to watch is http://www.macvisionaries.com// interestingly Mac Journal is one of the two 3rd party apps the site details as having good accessibility. for the record my previous comments were based on attending the Techshare pre conference workshop half day session in November of last year. Cheers Adrian Higginbotham Accessibility and inclusion adviser British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Internal extension #2287 Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/ BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Stephenson Sent: 06 March 2006 10:47 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibility of Tiger OS Thanks Ray & Adrian, Sounds like it's still early days as yes I would be wanting to use stuff like Office etc but worth keeping a watch on. Might well hunt out that blind apple list as well as more info on the Apple mini.Would still like to hear from anyone else out there using Apple & voiceover screen reader successfully. part of instigator for this enquiry was wanting to get hold of some journaling software (you know women keep a diary, men keep a journal!). I've had a couple of friends recommend Mac journal hence question re Mac's but so far nothing on windows based. Yes I've done a Google but as with most things throws up lots of options so before I start ploughing through them I thought I'd ask if anyone else using anything. Yes I do keep one in Word but it's starting to get unwieldy and so was wondering about using specific software. Cheers, good to be back on list!! Phil ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: 06 March 2006 10:21 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessibility of Tiger OS No worries about the capslock Phil! I've come across a guy on another list using the Mac with Tiger and screen reader. he's become visually impaired fairly recently and I think it might have been that his wife chose the computer for its looks, as women tend to do, (smile). Anyway, he seems to be getting on quite well as he regularly comes onto the mail list and does a fair bit of internet work too. I hear Safari, which is Apple browser is much better than it used to be for accessability. Not so though with all the Apple programs I'm led to understand. Someone else who bought a Mac recently was Andrew Hodgson who we don't here so much of on this llist now, but it might be worth emailing him for his thoughts on it, learning curve, it usefulness and so on. I believe he bought the Apple Mini which you can buy without a monitor or keyboard for £350.00-400 .00. It's very very small being little bigger than a CD in its width/depth measurements, and maybe 2" thick. It has good connectivity, and reasonalble power. Some folks are running audio applications on it. Of course it comes with OSX Tiger with the bundled screen reader. That's not a bad price to pay for getting into Mac computing if that's where you want to be headed. Its early days yet for the Apple screen reader and one can reasonably hope things will get better as the OS and screen reader are updated. Don't forget too that the Apple does come with some screen magnification features too. I don't know what support is like, but there is at least one email list of blind Apple users you might search out. HTH. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Stephenson <mailto:philstep72@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Yup, have had a couple of total Mac fans raving about using apple mac'S. I CURRENTLY USE WIN xp PRO WITH jaws 7 AND AM NOT UNHAPPY BUT I DID USE A MAC SOME 10 YEARS OR SO AGO WHEN I COULD USE SCREEN-ENLARGEMNET SOFTWARE. so MY QUESTION IS A GENREAL ONE AT THIS STAGE, ANYONE OUT THERE USING A Mac AND IF SO HOW DO THEY FIND THE ACCESSIBILITY OF tiger AND THE RANGE OF Mac programs available. Yeah I know any switch would require a lot of dosh but that's not my key question at this stage. Hopefully I won't be shot simply for even suggesting the switch from windows to Mac!! Look forward to receiving your comments, cheers, Phil p.s. sorry about the caps lock being on for part of this!!! __________ NOD32 1.1431 (20060305) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com