I can't think of one thing I could do with Talks that I can't do with an Iphone. The opposite infact, every day I pick up my iphone and after having it two and a half months I still keep finding new things I can do, or different ways of interacting with the screen. Me and a load of friends were talking the other day and we all agreed it was the best thing we've bought in the last ten years if not longer. Baring in mind I've tried all kinds of blind GPS, note taker solutions. Whilst most of the iphone apps don't have all of the features of those gadgets specifically for blind people, most of them come close or even have functionality which blind friendly solutions do not have.
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Hi Peter, OK, I'll bite the bullet and ask the deal breaker question. Is there anything one can do with Talks that one cannot do with the iPhone at the moment in terms of accessibility, where useable sight is not required? Iwouldn't want to just swap one thing I can do on my Nokia for another thingon the iPhone. Thanks. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not beconnected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling.Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. 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Once you get used to the gestures and beingable to move straight to something on the screen instead of having to arrowaround or use menus as with Talks it much much faster than using Talks. Typing isn't as quick at first but it's surprising how quick the speed improves. As yet I've not heard anyone say they'd go back from an iphone. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:52 AM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Steve and others.I've got to admit I don't quite understand why someone with no sight wouldgive up a physical keyboard in favour of a touch screen. I've not playedwith one yet but I can't see how texting or interacting can be at the samespeed or accuracy as with a numberpad you can actually feel.I'm the biggest mobile internet user. I'm still holding on to my Nokia N82because I love the keys which enable me to text extremely fast as they arevery distinct from each other being narrow rice grain keys as I understandthey're called. I've got the BBC's weather site as a favourite on my phone. So, by way of example, I'd be interested to know how the aforementioned weather app on the iTouch or iPhone could be any better than just going to a web page I've got bookmarked?I'd love to be able to make the email on my Nokia N82 work. It's eluded meso far but I gather this is a slightly more helpful feature on the iPhone ... but when it comes to actually composing an email I imagine it must take a long time with much backspacing as incorrect characters are hit. Totally admit to having no experience of touch screens but so far I can't see any logic to going out of my way to try one, even. Feedback helpful. Sites I regularly visit on my regular mobile phone with talks are: The Guardian, The Independent, The Times, The Telegraph, The Mirror, BBC News, BBC Weather, New York Times, Washington Post, The Daily Mash, The Onion, Facebook, Twitter, bright kite, Amazon, eBay, mashable, National Rail Enquiries, Google, Bing, Wikipedia Mobile, YouTube, and others. Out of all the above, I think that an accessible App for Twitter would enhance the experience because Twitter's mobile site isn't all that good. But I can't see how, for instance, the new app from The Guardian will enable me to read it better - especially when one of the key features is better placed advertising. ...Damon----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hyde-Dryden" <csdryden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Hussein,Thankks for your response. Actually, I have no useful vision in terms ofusing the touchpad on the Ipod Touch. All I can see is if the screen is lit up smiles. I'm not sure that the overall interface is as practical as the music players on the simbian phones but if you are used to an ipod, I expect it will be the same. I think the biggest difference for me is how much more than a music player it really is. One of the best aps on it i found was the weather for your city. So long as you connect up to your local wi fi then you can put in your city and through yahoo weather, a very quick, sucsinct report for the next 6 days comes up for you. It's awesome. I've had a quick play on safari and found that a little cumbersome but usable. More practice will improve usability. I think because you have to move through in series the different buttons and options, that's what takes up time and that's why it's more frustrating. I think though the sound quality is better though. Certainly much louder and better on a train. I use some slightly more expensive headphones buy audio technica which cost around £129 but the quality is awesome! I haven't gotten onto the video yet but have a number of AVI films on my hard drive which i'd like to export to the ipod. Have you listened to the podcasts on blindcooltech? they describe in detail how to navigateround the screen. It's unique and you do not totally have to rely on theactual whereabouts of a button on the screen. Swipe left or right to move through the elements and double click anywhere on the screen to activate it. As to whether you should have one to replace an existing player? Hell yeah why not. it's a great toy and so much more than a normal mp3 player. It's actually got me thinking now of trying out an I phone! hahaha Best regards. Steve----- Original Message ----- From: "Hussein Patwa " <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Steve, Thanks for your post. You're the first VI person I've come across using theTouch and I'd be fascinated at just how much of the functionality of the device you are able to use whilst remaining with the stock firmware. Ifyou don't mind my prying, but you must have some residual sight to handle the touch interface? Would you say this is worth considering for others needingto look for a new media player (for example, if my iPod Video ever kicksthe bucket) or would it be too difficult to handle?Now for your questions. For video conversion I use AVS Video Converter.Itis a paid for solution but offers a wide range of presets you can choosefrom, including for iPods. It's also accessible with my Supernova screenreader, or easy to see if you are using magnification. No doubt someone will offer a free solution as I'm sure I've heard of one myself, but thename escapes me right now. HTH. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not be connected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling. Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this if required. All calls may be recorded for fact verification. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Copying or distribution in any form is not permitted without the prior consent of the sender. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and any attachments from your system and notify the sender immediately. Thank you for your co-operation.Protect our trees; Do not print unless absolutely necessary. Save paperby deleting sections of the message which are not relevant.From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On BehalfOf Steve Hyde-Dryden Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 12:59 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Ipod Touch! and Macs OK Folks! Santa Claus brought me a great new little gadget for xmas! Yes, the new 32 GB Ipod Touch. I've listened to a couple of podcasts re this and have gotto grips pretty well with it's function and how to get around it. I havea couple of questions however. I know there is a more specialised list which T and T run but wondered if there were many on the list? Also, does anyone have the sub details? Now for my questions: 1 What is the easiest way to get .avi files onto the ipod? I believe they need to be converted first, how do people find the accessibility of these conversion tools? Also, where can I get the most accessible one from? When I go into the music section of the front screen, is there a way toeasily switch between artis, album and song views? How easy is it to setup play lists? Anyone got any suggestions for really cool aps which are free? Also though, any paid ones which, again, are accessible? I am pretty knocked out at how easy the touch screen is to manipulate. As an additional question, how accessible are apple mac computers in general? presumably, there is more facilities in the full blown voice over ap? I hear it is akin to window eyes? So, does that mean you can get the list of links etc in safari? Are there any more tutorials etc for the touch? And my final question, How similar is it to the I-phone? Best wishes. 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