[access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA
- From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:47:08 -0000
Hi,
I knew you could do 401 but then we were told we had to press select. This
obviously means that most of that menu is accessible in the same way, which
is even better. The installation options menu doesn't actually appear, you
have to know it's there, but they tell anybody who seems to know what they
are talking about. I supose they just don't want people to know who would
mess things up then complain, of which there are plenty.
Cheers
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM
nEBULA
> Hi Dave,
>
> The kind of defrag you are talking about to get your space back, is even
> accessible to blind people, even though it doesn't talk. Do the =
> following,
> when Angela doesn't want to do it for you <Smile>.
>
> 1. Press the services button.
>
> 2. Press 4 for setup.
>
> 3. Press 017 on your remote. 01 is for installation options, and 7 is =
> for
> rebuild planner, you will not lose any recordings.=20
>
> 4. Press the select button on the remote. Before you press select, it =
> is
> just asking you if you are sure. Once you press select, your box will =
> go
> off. Wait for a couple of minutes, and your box will reboot, and you =
> will
> be back on standby. You won't know that you are on standby, but just =
> press
> the Sky button occasionally, and eventually, the box will come back on.
>
> If there is anything that is incorrect in this, let me know, but my =
> sister
> went through it with me pretty thoroughly, when an engineer told her how =
> to
> do it.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
> Of
> Dave Taylor
> Sent: 29 November 2006 14:43
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM
> nEBULA
>
> The only way you lose it if if you reformat. We've rebuilt the planner a
> couple of times over the last couple of years or more we've had it and =
> reset
> a couple more times.
>
> Cheers
> dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:28 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM
> nEBULA
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm glad you've managed to keep all your data because that wasn't what =
> we've
> heard from two separate programmes now where this topic has arisen. =
> Anyway,
> let's all watch this space.
>
> --
> Carol
> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:32 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM
> nEBULA
>
>
>> We always use the recording features heavily as Angela can see enough =
> to
>> use
>> them. We have pretty much maxed out our Sky plus box quite a lot. We
>> phoned
>> the technical help desk once as we weren't getting our free space =
> back,
>> and
>> they took us through an accessible way of sorting it out, well, for =
> Angela
>> anyway. We occasionally have to unplug it so that it can reset =
> itself,
>> but
>> that's about it. I know other people have had problems with sky plus
>> boxes,
>> but I suspect the fixes we did would have worked for most people, and
>> unplugging the mains lead now and again helps, and all data is saved.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:09 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT =
> FROM
>> nEBULA
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I don't want to throw a spanner in the works here because it does =
> sound as
>> though Sky are getting it together; but I thought I'd just draw your
>> attention to the fact that Watchdog have received loads and loads of
>> complaints about the Sky boxes. One person has had eleven in all and
>> another seven! It may be of course that this comes about when you set =
> a
>> number of recordings for later, which presumably most blind people =
> don't
>> do
>> right now.
>>
>> Anyway, just thought I'd pass it on. Hopefully they'll have it all =
> sorted
>> soon!
>>
>> --
>> Carol
>> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:05 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Sky + accessibility (was: Re: Re: PRODUCT FROM =
> nEBULA
>>
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> I'm going to send another email shortly about the BBC iPlayer and how =
> you
>>> may not need to buy a system like Nebula really soon. But first I'm =
> going
>>> to
>>> talk about Sky + as a serious alternative.
>>>
>>> The Nebula electronics system seems a little lacking if it can't pick =
> up
>>> subscription channels.
>>>
>>> And I'm assuming that, being as you're not buying into Sky Digital, =
> you
>>> won't be able to take advantage of Sky's cheap dish installation =
> service.
>>> You will have to get an indepednent local company to put up your dish =
> at
>>> I'm
>>> guessing would be a couple of hundred pounds?
>>>
>>> Have you tried using Sky + at all? Much of it is accessible without
>>> having
>>> to learn lots of menu-dodging keystrokes. It's easy as pie to pause
>>> programmes and view them again ... though you will be arrowing down a
>>> menu
>>> list of your recorded programmes you can't see the title of, at least
>>> you'll
>>> have a vague idea of what's there and can dip in and out to hear a =
> bit of
>>> audio to see if you hav found the show you want to watch.
>>>
>>> You can record programmes by sitting and waiting for them to come on =
> ...
>>> then hitting the big round select button with the record button =
> straight
>>> afterwards. The recording will end when the programme ends and will
>>> appear
>>> in your recorded programmes menu immediately.
>>>
>>> Though you won't have access to the Electronic Programme Guide, your
>>> recorded programmes menu is easily navigable .I use mine all the =
> time.
>>>
>>> Note that I am someone who usually refuses to learn menus because I =
> see
>>> this
>>> as a ridiculous access solution oftentimes ... happily little =
> learning is
>>> needed here.
>>>
>>> Of course, the best thing about sky + is being able to record =
> programmes
>>> in
>>> advance and add series links so that you never miss your favourite =
> show.
>>> I
>>> understan dfrom Sky that you can now use their SMS text message =
> service
>>> to
>>> set up advance recordings on your sky + box. I haven't researched how
>>> much
>>> this costs but, on a yearly basis it might be worth calculating =
> whether
>>> or
>>> not it'll cost more to put up a dish?
>>>
>>> I find the whole computer access just completely unsatisfactory and =
> we
>>> should all be lobbying Sky to get access to the EPG via set-top =
> boxes.
>>>
>>> This is going to become more of a serious issue as Video on Demand =
> starts
>>> to
>>> become the norm. BT's new BT Vision service starts next week and from =
> day
>>> one the vast majority of the TV they supply will be inaccessible to =
> you.
>>> Cable and even satelite or the preferred satelite broadband hybrid
>>> television systems being discussed will mean you may not be able to =
> watch
>>> much TV at all soon as broadcast channels are going to be less =
> important
>>> and
>>> will eventually disappear. Sitting in front of your TV box and =
> passively
>>> ingesting a channel may not be around in the same way in 5 to 10 =
> years
>>> time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone yet done any lobbying? Or have any other info to add to =
> this?
>>>
>>> And if you've used the Sky SMS service it'd be good to get some =
> feedback
>>> from you.
>>>
>>> Don't forget you can always ask a mate to come over once a week to =
> help
>>> you
>>> setup your TV recordings. Do a bit of research on the web beforehand =
> and
>>> you're sorted. Also, if you want to follow an entire series, a series
>>> link
>>> can be added and you won't need to think about it again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "Gary Robinson" <gary.r@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:55 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Brian and others,
>>>>
>>>> You may be interested in the following response I obtained from =
> nebula.
>>>> Sadly it looks as if it's not going to give us access to the SKY =
> audio
>>>> described channels. I had hoped that it might be an alternative to =
> the
>>>> Sky
>>>> plus box but rather more accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>> Thanks for your enquires, which are answered as follows:
>>>> 1. Will the unit support access to subscription channels e.g SKY etc
>>>> (via
>>>> smart card?).
>>>> No, the satellite device will support only Freeview Satellite =
> channels.
>>>> 2. Will the program guide be available for satellite channels?
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 3. Will it support audio description on the satellite channels?
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 4. Will the software interface be the same as the digitv i.e =
> accessible
>>>> to
>>>> screen reader software?
>>>> We will be using the same software but it will have a satellite =
> decoder
>>>> along with a Freeview decoder built-in.
>>>> 5. When will it be available and how much will it cost?
>>>> Our developers have confirmed that the Satellite devices will be
>>>> released
>>>> within the first quarter of next year. Unfortunately they are =
> unable to
>>>> be
>>>> more
>>>> specific at this time. They cannot confirm a price at this time =
> either
>>>> I'm
>>>> afraid. We hope you will visit our website regularly to keep up to =
> date
>>>> on
>>>> any update on this.
>>>> Thanks again for your email and we hope this helps.
>>>> Thanks & Best Regards
>>>> The Support Team
>>>> Nebula Electronics
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I will do.
>>>>> I will telephone them tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Hartgen
>>>>>
>>>>> MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> SKYPE: brianhartgen
>>>>> SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186
>>>>> SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew-shipp4@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: PRODUCT FROM nEBULA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Brian When you find out about this could you please let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>> many thanks.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>>> From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <ACCESS-UK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] PRODUCT FROM nEBULA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I note there is now a product on the Nebula web site, priced =
> =A3102
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> UsB product only it would seem. This is
>>>>>>> Digital Satellite (S2) Receiver - Master USB version
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know which channels exactly I would be able to =
> receive
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> product and is it as accessible as the conventional product?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If no-one knows about this I will call them on Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian Hartgen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSN: brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> SKYPE: brianhartgen
>>>>>>> SKYPE IN UK: 0208-133-7186
>>>>>>> SKYPE IN US: 213-985-3581
>>>>>>>
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