Where exactly do you think I said that? ... would you like to quote and then I can respond fairly! ... beinga high tax payer myself I know what it is to "fund other people" and since the ATW scheme is there to help us in our work but fails quite often to do this, but as I have just said on a previous post, I don't think this list is for moaning about them! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Fowler" <col.fowler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent > Kirsten, > > I feel that your accusation towards Brendan and his comments were > ungrounded. Your presumption that we as tax payers should fund your > employers oblidations to continue to ensure that you are not at a > disadvantage compared with others for whom a similar reason would not > arise > are preposterous, and is evidence of the ignorance and systemic abuse of > the > whole Access to work scheme by both employers and employees alike. > > As Brendan said it is extremely unlikely that upgrades are so critical as > to > leave you at a substantial disadvantage compared with your colleagues, and > as you are entitled to a review of your support from Access to Work every > three years, I doubt very much whether the fact that you have a > reasonable > adjustment that is not being upgraded every time a new version becomes > available would be considered to be treating you at a disadvantage or a > reasonable demand. > > Perhaps I could suggest that rather than you feeling aggrieved by comments > made by those that work as professionals within this field you approach > your > employer and make a case for them in funding any necessary upgrades > similar > to how they would fund upgrades to their BCM software for the business. > > If then, failing approval by your employer to fund these upgrades you > still feel aggrieved you will have the option to consider a case of > discrimination relating to your disability. You may indeed have a case for > being treated more favourably than persons for whom a similar reason would > not apply, but be realistic your employer should fund your reasonable > adjustments - they have a duty to do so under the Disability > Discrimination > Act 1995 and as I also suspect that your employer may also have a General > & > Specific duty to ensure that Disability Equality is addressed in the way > they conduct themselves towards their employers who identify as being a > person with a disability, they may also feel uncomfortable from that > aspect > of the legislation DDA 2005. > > > Kind regards > > Colin Fowler > Disability Consultant > www.social-model.org.uk > Telephone: 01582 483 283 > Text/Mobile: 07793 111 253 > E mail: col.fowler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirsten Edmondson" <keaedmondson@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent > > >> Actually I haven't got it out of the box, because I haven't yet been >> supplied with a computer to put it on! and no ... the company will be >> charging me £190 to upgrade as ATW were stupid enough not to get me an >> SMA! >> So don't just make ridiculous assumptions when you know nothing about my >> situation! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brendan Magill" <brendan@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:59 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Stolen Braillenote tangent >> >> >>> Hi Barry, Kirsten and everyone, >>> >>> Barry, the paragraphs I quoted are not available on the Web, they are >>> from an AtW internal document which defines the whole of AtW in some 160 >>> pages. I've been fortunate enough to be able to acquire a copy of this, >>> because of the work which I do, though I had to sell my soul to get it. >>> That's why you couldn't find it with Google! >>> >>> As for equipment eventually wearing out or becoming obsolete over an >>> extended period of time, there should be no problem in AtW funding a >>> replacement. It is recognized that technology does move on and that >>> jobs change as a consequence, so if there's any problem then you need to >>> make a fresh application to AtW on the basis that your working situation >>> has changed as a result of changes in technology over time. >>> >>> Kirsten, the query you raise is unlikely to be of real significance. >>> Firstly, changes from one version to the next are rarely so critical >>> that one cannot function with the older version. Secondly, if a new >>> version comes out so quickly after you've acquired the older one, most >>> suppliers will have a free upgrade policy which should cover you. >>> Thirdly, if you haven't got it out of the box within four weeks of >>> receiving it, you probably don't need it anyway. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Brendan. >>> >>> -- >>> BRENDAN MAGILL >>> Business, Employment & >>> Disability Consultancy >>> >>> 8 York Place >>> Worcester >>> WR1 3DR >>> England >>> >>> Phone: +44 (0)1905 28286 >>> Fax: +44 (0)870 127 7856 >>> >>> Web: www.magill.co.uk >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq