Steve, Thanks for the info, I've seen the SiRecognizer in action at sight village, last year, and very good it was too. Personally I'd wait for when the SiRecognizer is available incorporated into a mobile phone, as I'm sure it will. I can remember when B & T of T & T did a test of one of these systems, using a digital camera. A complete waste of time it was. Then B & T of T & T, looked at the SiRecognizer at sight village and were very impressed too. So keep us informed when that nice Italian chap has a SiRecognizer equipped mobile phone, then I might get my wallet out. Cheers Dave Hi Jackie, The difference between KNFB and SiRecognizer, it seems to me, is that SiRecognizer does more with objects. For example, KNFB will read papers, bills, labels, etc, as you say, but it has no settings that I know of for reading tins, jars, packets, digital displays, etc. Let me try to explain. If I scan a tin, and it reads some of the text, but not all of it, with KNFB, I would presumably have to swivel the tin and try again. That would be the only option. With Recognizer, I could certainly do that, but if it doesn't get the text, I can hit the "Cylinder" button, and it would rotate the image it had already scanned until it got some text. It is not always perfect, but you have the option. Again, if I am scanning a digital display, and I don't get good results, I just hit the "Display" button, and it optimises the scan for digital displays and rescans the image. Finally, it has something called Steps. This is all this stuff put together. You can have Recognizer automatically go through the steps one at a time, or you can hit the steps button and go through one step, evaluate the results, then go through step 2, etc. It has nine different steps from rotating the image, to converting it to black/white, etc, to obtain results. You also have control of the flash on the camera, you can turn it on and off, if you know the lighting conditions. In short then, from what I have gathered about KNFB, and I certainly don't have one, so Jackie please correct me if I am wrong, you don't have so much control over the processing of the image, as you do with SiRecognizer. Yes, you can use SiRecognizer just like KNFB, and just scan stuff, but once you get to know it, the steps and the different methods of analysis of the image, really do come in handy. Finally, because SiRecognizer is similar to KNFB on the PDA, except that the camera is not attached, as cameras get better, it is easy to just change the camera for a better one, without having to live without SiRecognizer by sending it back for an upgrade. The camera is just a USB device. The down side to it is that there is the wire between the two units. I hope this helps. All the best Steve ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Monday 4 February 2008 10:36 To: Access UK Mailing List Subject: [access-uk] The SiRecogniser I am directing this message at Steve, who I understand is the dealer for the alternative portable reader, the SiRecogniser. Steve old boy, could you please give us some information about this machine as an alternative to the K-NFB Reader and soon-to-be launched phone version? Like many, no doubt, I know nothing about the SiRecogniser, except that it can read displays etc as well as printed text. I thought that rather than Emailing you privately for information, it would be nice to share some stuff about it with the list as a whole since this has been an interesting topic for several days, and making it a level playing field. Thanks. Jackie Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx Skype Name: Cairnsplace ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq