Hi Jackie, Yes, you can scan a computer screen. I have done this even with the default setting, but if you don't get best results, because of light etc, just hit the display button. I haven't tried it on a DAB radio, but it read my N95's digital display, which is pretty darned cool. Yes, you have two bits. The little computer, and a digital camera, which plugs in via USB. You also get the regular version for the PC, as well as the UMPC, Ultra Mobile PC version, so it would be like getting KNFB and K1000 together as a package. I hope this helps. All the best Steve _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Monday 4 February 2008 15:55 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: The SiRecogniser Hi Steve Thanks very much for this, it's extremely interesting, putting it mildly (smile). No, you can't have as much elbow as that with the K-NFB Reader. Yes you can read a tin, and then re-scan if it isn't very good. You have to turn it round a bit and keep trying, which is what I do if I'm really stuck and have forgotten to put a Talking Tin on the lid. But you can't do the stuff you have referred to. Ian wants to know whether you can read a display as the PC is booting up, in other words, while it is moving, or if there is an error message when the machine stops before Windows kicks in. Could you, for example, read the panel on a washing-machine or display on a DAB radio that tells you the name of a song or other info? I have to say I'm really into this stuff apart from the normal scanning of paperwork. I understand it comes in a couple of bits, so how does this work? I believe you have a small computer and an option to connect to your existing PC, is that correct? Thanks for any info. Jackie Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx Skype Name: Cairnsplace ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Nutt To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: The SiRecogniser Hi Jackie, The difference between KNFB and SiRecognizer, it seems to me, is that SiRecognizer does more with objects. For example, KNFB will read papers, bills, labels, etc, as you say, but it has no settings that I know of for reading tins, jars, packets, digital displays, etc. Let me try to explain. If I scan a tin, and it reads some of the text, but not all of it, with KNFB, I would presumably have to swivel the tin and try again. That would be the only option. With Recognizer, I could certainly do that, but if it doesn't get the text, I can hit the "Cylinder" button, and it would rotate the image it had already scanned until it got some text. It is not always perfect, but you have the option. Again, if I am scanning a digital display, and I don't get good results, I just hit the "Display" button, and it optimises the scan for digital displays and rescans the image. Finally, it has something called Steps. This is all this stuff put together. You can have Recognizer automatically go through the steps one at a time, or you can hit the steps button and go through one step, evaluate the results, then go through step 2, etc. It has nine different steps from rotating the image, to converting it to black/white, etc, to obtain results. You also have control of the flash on the camera, you can turn it on and off, if you know the lighting conditions. In short then, from what I have gathered about KNFB, and I certainly don't have one, so Jackie please correct me if I am wrong, you don't have so much control over the processing of the image, as you do with SiRecognizer. Yes, you can use SiRecognizer just like KNFB, and just scan stuff, but once you get to know it, the steps and the different methods of analysis of the image, really do come in handy. Finally, because SiRecognizer is similar to KNFB on the PDA, except that the camera is not attached, as cameras get better, it is easy to just change the camera for a better one, without having to live without SiRecognizer by sending it back for an upgrade. The camera is just a USB device. The down side to it is that there is the wire between the two units. I hope this helps. All the best Steve _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Monday 4 February 2008 10:36 To: Access UK Mailing List Subject: [access-uk] The SiRecogniser I am directing this message at Steve, who I understand is the dealer for the alternative portable reader, the SiRecogniser. Steve old boy, could you please give us some information about this machine as an alternative to the K-NFB Reader and soon-to-be launched phone version? Like many, no doubt, I know nothing about the SiRecogniser, except that it can read displays etc as well as printed text. I thought that rather than Emailing you privately for information, it would be nice to share some stuff about it with the list as a whole since this has been an interesting topic for several days, and making it a level playing field. Thanks. Jackie Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx Skype Name: Cairnsplace