[access-uk] Re: Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New VoiceOver features
- From: "Gordon Keen" <gordon.keen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:32:12 -0000
It's times like this when you know you are getting old, because I can recall
the utter disbelief in the screen reader community when Microsoft introduced
windows and ms-dos support went tit's up.
Phrases like blind people will never be able to use graphical user
interfaces and total disregard for blind computer users were being flung
about all over the place.
So has anyone heard of this cool new device, it's round and you fix it to an
axle so it can go round then you can move things about with less effort -
it's called a Wheel (copyright)
Regards
Gordon
From glorious Devon, England
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ari
Sent: 29 October 2007 12:15
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New
VoiceOver features
Hi Ray,
And this is where the whole argument about buying a mac comes from, first, I
wouldn't mind the learning curve, but has anyone done a sort of study, let's
say you compare a mac with a windows pc for screenreaders, and looking at
how info a screenreader can give compared to VO? I mean, take me as a
student who uses Word a lot, with the Mac processor, can it tell me colour
changes, document styles and when they change, or can I even navigate quite
fast through a document like with JAWS. The cool thing about Windows screen
readers, yes they do cost a lot, but the people making them think how to
improve them all the time.
Ari
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From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New
VoiceOver features
> First a comment following on from Jackie. My sister has an Apple
> IBook now but she's still not got used to where a fraction of the
> things are and what it'll do. She's thinking of going to an Apple
> shop where they do some one-to-one teaching. She hasn't the problems
> we would have getting used to the operating system and the way things
> are done on the Mac, and this only points up the preparedness to do
> some learning. Many if not most people are conservative when it comes
> to change.
>
> Following on from that, MS Windows users of screen readers have to get
> a grip on the fact that, a), it isn't a PC they are using; b) it
> isn't JFW or HAL or for that matter Window-Eyes. W-E users might in
> fact have less hassle from the standpoint of using the mouse at times
> to navigate some features of the Mac and the way it does things.
>
> I think anyone looking seriously at buying a Mac has to treat it as a
> serious learning project.
>
> As for ITunes, I keep hearing varying stories about it's usability on
> the Mac as I do subscribe to a list that very often discusses Macs.
> It does seem to be though that the ITunes development team aren't
> plugged into what might be the new commitment on Apple's part to
> 'universal access'. You cannot help but get the impression that many
> Apple developers sort of hold their noses when it comes to access
> issues and the implementation of them. Not that the attitude problem
> is a Mac phenomenon alone.
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Jackie Cairns
>
>
> If only this had been possible four or five years ago when I was doing
> journalism at college. The newsroom was full of Macs and the one PC
> with
> Windows 98 that I used to monopolise. Interestingly, all the students
> used
> to jump in my seat the minute I moved so they could use the PC instead
> of
> their Macs because they hated them, and they were all fully sighted.
> I
> think they all used a PC at home and just couldn't get to grips with
> the
> Mac. So this big queue would form to get on my machine, and I
> couldn't
> venture anywhere without someone literally hot-footing it to my desk.
> All
> good fun.
>
> Jackie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:34 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New
> VoiceOver features
>
>
>> well Gordon it will be interesting to see how you go with this and
> to see
>> how others go as well. I would not be surprised to find more info
>> appearing
>> on ACB Radio's Main Menu or blindcooltec at some point when those
> with
>> some
>> experience of the mac get hands on it. Altimately we will see
> whether the
>> hype reflects the real situation and whether once again, the Mac can
> be
>> described as anything like accessible and how far this accessibility
> goes.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>> Graham Page
>> Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
>> Mobile: 07753 607980
>> Fax: 0870 706 2773
>> Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> Skype: gabriel_mcbird
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gordon Keen" <gordon.keen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:16 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New
>> VoiceOver features
>>
>>
>> Hi Ray
>> I can confirm that the mac-book works very happily as a dual boot
> machine
>> and I have been running it for about three or four months using hal
> as the
>> screen reader.
>> Next week end I shall be upgrading to leopard and weaning myself off
> the
>> dreaded microsludge.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Gordon
>> From glorious Devon, England
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>> Of
>> Ray's Home
>> Sent: 29 October 2007 10:44
>> To: Access-Uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Time to do the Apple Switch? Leopard's New
> VoiceOver
>> features
>>
>> Hope you find this interesting, as I do. A few comments after news
> of
>> Leopard's new Voice Over features.
>>
>> VoiceOver info.
>>
>> Universal Access
>>
>> Alex - A New Voice Give yourself a new voice. Meet Alex - a new
>> English male voice that uses advanced,
>> patented Apple technologies to deliver natural breathing and
>> intonation, even at
>> fast speaking rates.
>>
>> Plug-and-Play Refreshable Braille Display Support Quickly set up
>> popular, refreshable Braille displays. VoiceOver detects and
>> configures
>> as soon as you plug them in. No additional software or setup is
>> required.
>>
>> Braille Output During OS Installation For the first time ever on a
>> desktop computer, you can use a Braille display while
>> installing or upgrading your operating system.
>>
>> The Braille Panel See a virtual Braille display - a visual
>> representation of VoiceOver Braille output
>> onscreen along with an English text translation.
>>
>> Customisable Braille Display Input Keys Customise a Braille display
>> more easily than ever before. Just choose a VoiceOver
>> command, then press and hold the input keys. A tone sounds to let
> you
>> know the command has been assigned successfully.
>>
>> Contracted and Non-Contracted Braille Output Braille in standard
>> contracted format or non-contracted "computer Braille".
>> VoiceOver automatically converts contracted Braille under the cursor
>> so it's easier
>> to edit, then contracts it again when the cursor moves.
>>
>> NumPad Commander Control VoiceOver using only the numeric keypad
> just
>> like JAWS and Windows-Eyes.
>> This makes it easier for screen reader users to switch from a PC to
> a
>> Mac and provides easy access to your favourite VoiceOver commands.
>>
>> Portable VoiceOver Preferences Instantly reconfigure your VoiceOver
>> preferences. Just plug in a flash drive containing
>> your preferences and Leopard instantly reconfigures to work and act
>> just like your Mac - without leaving a trace when you leave.
>>
>> Faster Web and Page Navigation Quickly navigate long documents or
> web
>> pages. Jump to key elements like headers,
>> tables and links and by text attributes like underlining, bold,
>> italics and colour - even text phrases.
>>
>> Hot Spots Monitor up to ten different areas onscreen and be alerted
>> when there's a change.
>> Then jump directly to any hot spot to investigate or take action.
>>
>> Drag-and-Drop Support Use drag-and-drop actions by keyboard only, in
>> accessible applications.
>>
>> Integrated Interactive Tutorial Learn VoiceOver unassisted in a safe
>> environment. A built-in tutorial lets you practice
>> as you learn.
>>
>> Misspelled Word Detection Hear when a word is misspelled while
> reading
>> text. Choose a tone or a spoken description.
>> Positional Audio Effects Benefit from many new sound effects in
>> VoiceOver. Audio cues provide an improved
>> sense of location.
>>
>> Highlight by Word or Sentence Set the VoiceOver cursor to highlight
>> each word or sentence being read as it is spoken.
>>
>> New VoiceOver Utility Customise VoiceOver more easily. A new
> VoiceOver
>> Utility layout includes many new
>> options and preferences for customising VoiceOver.
>>
>> Improved Application Accessibility Do more with VoiceOver. Bundled
>> Leopard applications and utilities have been enhanced
>> for improved accessibility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Ray back again)
>> I'm thinking now seriously of doing the switch, and possibly going
> for
>> a dual boot equiped Apple, so not leaving Windows behind entirely.
>> This seems to work better than many might think it does.
>>
>> Given Vista's fearsome reputation so far, and some prety draconian
>> measures around DRM to boot, I wonder seriously if the Apple
> shouldn't
>> be given a serious look. Not that I know for certain the Apple will
>> be imune from the media industry's inroads on what we can do. (No,
>> I'm not an ilegal sharer or anything, but I do use my PC for a lot
> of
>> audio work these days.)
>>
>> Those thoughts apart, hope the above was of interest.
>>
>> Cheers,,
>> From Ray
>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
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