[access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:51:16 +0100
Hi Peter,
I can't help agreeing with you here. I am sure this information is not
reliable.
All the best
Steve
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Peter Holdstock
Sent: Friday 16 April 2010 19:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
I'd like to assume this is just a person at Sky who has a lack of knowledge.
Let's face it, most of the people at Sky accessibility hadn't heard of Sky
Talker, and I'm sure most of them still don't know what it does. It would be
pointless to develop a unit that only reads the next programme. Surely
techologically speaking it would be no harder to have it read the current
programme if it can read the next.
Peter
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From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:15 AM
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
> I think a collective voice would help though I'm not suggesting a big
> movement or commitment, it's so much easier to do this kind of thing on
> the internet. I'm not even talking about setting up an organisation or
> anything like that. But if, for instance, 10 or 20 other people today
> wrote to Sky or called them about this issue then I'm sure there would
> be a knock-on effect.
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> Who would be best to speak to at Sky? And would it be via phone or
> email? Do you have an email address? And if everyone asked for the same
> thing and made their intentions known and reported back that they'd sent
> off an email ... I think it could be really positive and progressive.
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> The knock on effects could be as small as several people raising it in
> the next support desk meeting and hence raising it higher up the agenda.
> Perhaps an official response will be sought which means they will need
> to go to their press office who, in turn, will need to get a response
> from the technical and policy people. And whaddya know, we're raising
> the issue with a whole group of people across the board who otherwise
> wouldn't have thought about it that day. And there will be a small group
> of people within sky who will be delighted that their work to date isn't
> going to waste and is actually appreciated and being talked about from
> afar.
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> Lots of companies don't know we care about such things. They get
> occasional legislative pressure and they get the occasional nagging and
> waving of DDA in front of them by bigger pressure groups ... But not
> from organised individuals who are directly concerned.
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> I've noted a few people here have emailed the accessible customer
> services which is marvellous. But what's the next step up from that now
> it appears that it's not a customer services issue and a box isn't
> imminent? And indeed are the accessible customer services the best
> informed people? Anyone got a further insight?
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> ...Damon
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of martin wilsher
> Sent: 15 April 2010 20:40
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
>
> Damon:
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> I for one have been banging proactively on to sky about the benefits to
> all of talking Peg's, not just to blind people, but to elderly and other
> people with disabilities also. I've also been talking of the DDA to
> them, saying that in 2012 there will be no option but to comply if they
> are not to be seen in breach of access to goods and services under the
> DDA.
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> It seems nothing came of my talks to them about this. Ah well, I'm not
> surprised.-----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Damon Rose
> Sent: 15 April 2010 19:30
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
>
> I gather RNIB is likely to be releasing a bespoke talking freeview set
> top box later this year. Seemingly it's quite an achievement to be able
> to do this. I'm aware that Project Canvas, the people building the IPTV
> platform which will be on sale via set-top boxes next year, have a team
> working on a couple of solutions who are making some interesting headway
> too. More announcements in due course.
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> How or why Sky have seemingly bombed out of it when they own everything
> from the TV channels and the boxes to the satellites themselves is
> somewhat surprising. They can make it work far more easily than the open
> platform of Freeview. It's a closed system with no variables as far as I
> can tell. They can alter the EPG software to answer any hardware
> problems and vice versa.
> They can then deliver updates over the air.
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> I think legislation has to be the way forward. Legislation is making
> things happen in the US and I'd be keen to hear an update from RNIB on
> whether they are exploring this route or if they have rejected it, and
> why. Though I can imagine some negotiation is best kept private, I do
> think that after 12 years it would be hellpful to know what we're
> against.
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> I can't help but think that without legislation, or the threat of
> legislation, this all important phase where IPTV platforms and boxes are
> being created don't necessarily put the onus on the makers to build
> accessibility in.
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> It's the accessibility divide. The divide that gives access to the
> physical environment outside your front door but doesn't allow for
> access to the all important digital environment that is being so heavily
> talked up by government.
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> That nice Martha Lane Fox, she of LastMinute.com fame, is an advocate
> for all this. I am going to look her up on Twitter in a minute and see
> if I can engage her on this one issue. IPTV, and set-top boxes that
> handle it, is going to be more important and more enabling than you've
> perhaps begun to think and I'm anxious little is being talked about it
> in relation to visually impaired people. I think older visually impaired
> people have the most to gain here as there are invariably make and mend
> solutions on the PC for the more tech savvy amongst us.
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> Over the years on this list I've suggested we all ought to be more
> proactive because I believe we would be listened to. Is there room for a
> helpfully proactive list? Or maybe one exists but I don't know about it?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Darran Ross
> Sent: 15 April 2010 16:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
>
> If what Fran's been told is right, it just strikes me as the whole thing
> was a half-assed waste of everybody's time. Who on earth do they think
> is going to be excited by the prospect of a unit that will tell them the
> title of the next programme!
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> Sitting here shaking head in disbelief, and holding on to the hope that
> the Sky rep has got this badly wrong.
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> Darran
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:17 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
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>> Sounds like they've developed something that no one will want to buy.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
>> Of Barry Hill
>> Sent: 15 April 2010 16:11
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: bad news re the sky talker
>>
>> Is it only the next programme? If it could say what the current
>> programme is too, that would have been useful. Otherwise, you're
> right,
>> waste of time.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Francis Holman" <franholman755@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:49 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] bad news re the sky talker
>>
>>
>> Hi I spoke with the disability department of sky this morning.
>> Apparently
>> the sky talker is not ready to launch yet, and even when it does there
>
>> will not be an EPG. According to the person whom I spoke with it will
>> only tell what the next programme coming up is. Personally that seems
>
>> a waste
> of
>> time
>> and research to me. Very disappointing.
>> Best
>> Fran.
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