[access-uk] Re: n v d a
- From: Andrew Hesser <encompassmawnan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:45:44 +0000
I agree with all Mike states about NVDA. I use NVDA for many applications,
however, I've not managed to download my purchased tracks from that Amazon
Cloud, but I think that is because Amazon have over complicated things.
Regards
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
Sent: 28 January 2013 13:09
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: n v d a
Hello,
I would have no hesitation to recommend NVDA to anybody.
When I first started losing my sight significantly about 5 years ago I
bought Dolphin Supernova, for no other reason than that I already knew
of the existence of Dolphin from being at college with blind students 20
years ago.
Since then I have become enraged by the level of support I received. I
was constantly ringing the help-desk only to either be told they didn't
know the answer to my queries or, more recently that I had to give them
more money to solve my issues.
At that time I had NVDA installed on my PC but would only start it when
Supernova choked and went silent. One day I realised this was more and
more often and decided to ditch Supernova altogether because NVDA was
doing everything I needed it to do. I was clinging on to Supernova for
no other reason than familiarity.
I use the eSPeak synthesiser. I know it is not to everyone's taste but
it really is so fast and responsive I would recommend NVDA newbies to
persist with it until they get used to it.
Some people on this list have suggested NVDA is no use for anything
other than 'writing the odd letter'. This is quite untrue.
I am a very demanding user. I use multiple tools to write software,
connect to remote servers, write email, browse the internet, do my
shopping online, crunch financial data with spreadsheets and more and
NVDA never lets me down.
I am currently involved in writing NVDA add-ons to make otherwise
inaccessible applications accessible.
And before certain people pounce on that as a drawback I will point out
that most commercial screen-readers incorporate some kind of mechanism
for extending their functionality.
Others seem obsessed with the notion of the 'off-screen model', and that
NVDA doesn't have one. This is the same as many people's obsession with
ditching Internet Explorer and using Firefox...99% of the people who
advocate it, if challenged, don't have an answer 'why'.
NVDA doesn't have an 'off-screen model'...it has an 'on-screen model'.
All navigable objects are overlaid by an abstraction, either from MSAA,
UIA, or a bespoke accessibility layer.
There are applications which work better than others with NVDA. Another
factor which will immediately be seized upon by anti-NVDA advocates to
validate their opinion. But the same is true of most, if not all
commercial products. I challenge any users of a commercial product to
say they have NEVER had to either modify a method they use to get
something done to accomodate a drawback with a commercial access
product, or ditch a certain software product as inaccessible altogether.
I don't think anybody on this list who doesn't have a commercial
vested interested in doing so would attack NVDA.
I would willingly modify an aspect of my PC use to avoid paying
extortionate prices for poorly supported commercial products. I have
found that software tools written with the Qt widget toolkit are not
accessible to NVDA...but I would NOT pay £1000 for the ability to use
one product which can be replaced with another.
There is a prevelant attitude that a 'free' software product MUST be, by
definition, worthless. If ALL free and Open Source tools disappeared
tomorrow, more than about 75% of the internet infrastructure would cease
to exist.
Who will answer my problems if I don't pay for the screen-reader? The
answer to that question is, can you really rely on the help-desk at XYZ
software to be there with the answer when you need it? Of course not.
I have lost count of the times I have asked a question on the NVDA
support email list at some ungodly hour of the night only to get
multiple answers from the other side of the world almost immediately.
A short note for anybody who might be thinking I have attacked or flamed
software vendors. I don't think that is true. I have only shared my
experience.
Mike
On 28/01/2013 12:20, Kevin Cussick wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I won't get into a screen reader war but I use nothing else. it's light
> fast and just works fully portable no need to install any other drivers
> like some other other screen readers that are so called portable. I will
> leave it at that, the sinth dose take a bit of getting used to but if
> you persevere it is worth it. I use vocaliser and these voices are not
> free. but the price is well worth the money, you can also take these
> vocaliser voices on a usb stick with your screen reader.
>
> On 28/01/2013 11:59, Scott Cunningham wrote:
>> Hi Mike, Trace and all,
>>
>> I am currently having massive problems with Window eyes a product I've
>> had
>> and enjoyed using for many years and very disappointed with both the
>> product
>> performance and their support too.
>> After reading some of the stuff you guys have said about N V D A, this
>> sounds a great alternative, would you guys recommend it as a better and
>> mor stable option?
>>
>> All comments greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Kindest Regards
>>
>> Scott Cunningham MBE
>>
>> Web: www.Legendstrek.co.uk
>>
>> Twitter: @S_Cunningham9
>> FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/#!/scott.cunningham.773
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: 28 January 2013 05:20
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: n v d a
>>
>> Hi Trace.
>>
>> When we spoke yesterday, I told you that you can purchase the high
>> quality
>> Vocalizer voices for NVDA from Steve Nutt of Computer Room Services. Why
>> don't you give him a call, he'll be able to assist you in installing said
>> voices so you can try them out before spending your money, however the
>> price
>>
>> is £65 for all voices in all languages, that's nearly 50 different
>> voices I
>> believe. These are the same voices Freedom Scientific provide for JAWS
>> purchasers and Window-Eyes users have to pay extra for.
>>
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael A. Ray
>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:47 PM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: n v d a
>>
>> Trace,
>>
>> Try to stick with eSpeak. I know it takes a lot of getting used to but
>> it is so lean and mean it is very responsive and can easily keep up with
>> anything I do.
>>
>> Having been a PC user for 25 years I can type pretty fast and I need a
>> good responsive voice to keep up, and eSpeak never lets me down. And it
>> has such a small resource footprint, if you don't have much RAM it
>> knocks spots off other synths.
>>
>> There are a couple of other voices you could try. The svox pico synth
>> is pretty small and has a nice female voice. You can download it from
>> the NVDA site.
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 27/01/2013 18:59, Spring Flower wrote:
>>> hi, i installed it this afternoon and have joined the freelists mailing
>>> list, is that the one mentioned on the website?
>>>
>>> the voice on it makes me loosethe will to live but other than that its
>>> great, very informative and clear about where it is and what's
>>> happening.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> trace
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Ray"
>>> <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 2:48 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: n v d a
>>>
>>>
>>>> Trace,
>>>>
>>>> NVDA is great. I have switched over to it totally and ditched
>>>> Supernova altogether.
>>>>
>>>> There is a lively support email list, the details of which you can
>>>> find on the web site.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25/01/2013 13:40, Spring Flower wrote:
>>>>> hi, brilliant, i need to download it and install it separately. it
>>>>> doesn't automatically install when downloaded does it?
>>>>>
>>>>> i've heard its very good with itunes, and from you saying that you use
>>>>> it in itunes i'm guessing that what i've heard is correct,
>>>>>
>>>>> brilliant, thanks again, i'm in a great mood right now as i've just
>>>>> found out that andy murray beat federa!!
>>>>>
>>>>> go andy!!
>>>>>
>>>>> trace
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Ray"
>>>>> <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 2:06 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: n v d a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trace,
>>>>>> I use NVDA here for everything including iTunes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I used to use Supernova but ditched it because of the constant
>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>> costs and the fact that I knew more about Supernova than the guys on
>>>>>> their help-desk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To use NVDA just install it and switch off Supernova.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can set it up so that when you press control+alt+N it will
>>>>>> start...but stop Supernova first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/01/2013 13:48, Spring Flower wrote:
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>> i was checking out the n v d a prog yesterday, i use supernova
>>>>>>> but its
>>>>>>> not yet compatible with itunes version 11 but i've heard that n v
>>>>>>> d a
>>>>>>> is, on their website i read that ou can run the prog from a memory
>>>>>>> stick, so my question is, how would i use the prog to access itunes
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> supernova is my main screen reader,
>>>>>>> also is there a mailinglist for users of n v d a
>>>>>>> i believe that dolphin are working on a map file for itunes 11
>>>>>>> but i'm
>>>>>>> too impatient to wait
>>>>>>> any help much appreciated
>>>>>>> trace
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use the NVDA screen-reader, not Scientific, just Freedom:
>>>>>> http://nvda-project.org/
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Michael A. Ray
Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem'
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