[AR] Re: [AR] Re: [AR] “Transitioning space propulsion to a nitrous-based industry standard”

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 16:25:53 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023, Lou G wrote:

I feel like we are far from the end of the in space propellant wars.

Yeah, unfortunately none of the oxidizer choices is really entirely satisfactory. Fuels are a minor problem by comparison (unless you really insist on a monopropellant, in which case again there's nothing that's really completely satisfactory).

No-one wants to deal with hydrazine anymore, and people are afraid it will get banned in the EU

No-one except the guys who are already set up to deal with it, who don't really understand what the fuss is about, because they're so used to hydrazine's hassles that they can't imagine what it would be like to use something better. ("The shit a man never sees is the shit he's standing in." -- Paul Kavanagh.) (The LLNL piston-pump guys, who switched from hydrazine to peroxide for their experimental work, were surprised and impressed by just how much easier it made everything -- for example, they could do quick tests on the lab bench, instead of having to go out to a hazmat test site every time.) Lots of people are still in that category.

Mind you, although hydrazine has a lot of things wrong with it (starting with being both toxic and carcinogenic, as are its derivatives), the really big problem is its partner, N2O4, which is the one that's really bent on climbing out of the tank and killing you *right away*.

Henry

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