That book is a gem. Highly recommended.
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From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Anthony Cesaroni <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 2:25:02 PM
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Subject: [AR] Re: LEO radiation shielding
Lessons learned…again. Digital Apollo (David A. Mindell) has no shortage of
citations along these lines. Kyle Tait reads the Audible version and can have
you climbing the walls with his style but it’s a good read or listen,
nonetheless.
Anthony J. Cesaroni
President/CEO
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http://www.cesaronitech.com/
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From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Craig Fink
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 1:38 PM
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AR] Re: LEO radiation shielding
Yeah, misunderstanding on my part about what they were talking about early in
the test flight. It was an Interface Control Document for the Atlas and the
Starliner, or coding error, grabbing the wrong variable for Mission Elapsed
Time. So Starliner switched into some later testing mode and maneuvered to the
wrong attitude instead of finishing it's insertion into Rendezvous Orbit and
timeline. But that still doesn't explain the propellant consumption of
Starliners, I think I heard 25% used. Missing the beginning of the rendezvous
sequence, doesn't mean they can't rendezvous, they were essentially in the
proper orbit. If they had reacted faster, they could have entered a different
but longer rendezvous sequence and still met Boeing's ?Contractual Requirement?
to Dock with the ISS to receive this ?milestone payment?.
Post-flight conference, the Washington post guy.
https://youtu.be/dAPgTckPzOM?t=821
Milestone not met, try again Boeing.
My money is on nasa giving Boeing a pass, because this news conference looked
more like NASA's old way of doing business with Boeing than a commercial
endeavor.
On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:35 AM Ian M. Garcia
<ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Craig,
What happened to Starliner is (probably) what they claim. The gains were not
wrong. It was the wrong burn mode and used the fuel that was expected for that
mode. This is pretty standard and no this is not a forgotten lesson.
ian
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From: Craig Fink<mailto:webegood@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:40 AM
To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AR] Re: LEO radiation shielding
Speaking of Control Systems, fresh out of College, with my first real job
working GN&C on Space Shuttle I was assigned to help with the On-Orbit post
flight report for STS-1 and STS-2. One of the problems these first few flights
was in attitude control, the gains were wrong resulting in excessive fuel
usage. Essentially, banging back an forth from positive limit to negative
limit, hosing out propellant. Things haven't changed much in 40 years with
Starliner as the NASA administrator is talking about the problem.
https://youtu.be/NpQlxN4xbKM?t=85
Here he's saying the attitude tried to maintain "to precise" an attitude
window, which isn't the problem, it's the gains were wrong. The precise
tolerance just means it takes much less time to get from the +side to the
-side, so it hosed fuel out faster. But even with a very loose attitude
window, if the gains are wrong, it's going to be banging back and forth
(+-+-+-+-+-+ firings) from one limit to the other.
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