[AR] Re: NO-fire, SURE-fire ignition standards ?

  • From: Peter Fairbrother <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 00:43:31 +0000

I use ematches (as used for fireworks) which are easily available in the UK, no license required. Being poor I usually use cheap chinese no-name ematches, apart from the loud crack! noise they work well and reliably.

They vary a little, but normally the stated all-fire is 500mA or 600mA or 1A, and no-fire is 50 mA - some have a 200mA no-fire, but I have never come across one with a no-fire of less than 50 mA.

I stick to 50 mA no-fire and 1A all-fire for everything (except for flash matches, which need a higher fire current) and haven't gone wrong yet.

However that is from a user POV, from an ematchmaker POV I suppose something like 250mA no-fire and 400mA all-fire is probably a good target.

For quicker ignition and good timing I tend to use about 2-3A actual firing current.

LED continuity testers usually use around 2mA.

Ematches come with wires attached which vary in length from 0.5m to 3m. They have plastic shrouds on the heads to prevent damage and unwanted ignition from impact or the next one in a bundle going off.

Short ones are about 15p, long ones are about 60p each in 100's.

They are sold and stored with the far ends of the wires twisted together to short them. I have never had one go off due to static or EM fields, and I don't know anyone who has, but it's a cheap safety measure.

You can legally (in the UK) and practically attach them to fireworks set up in the place where they will be used, and wire them up, the day before a display. You can't transport ematched fireworks.

They might need some boosting to ignite a large solid, but they ignite fairly large gunpowder rockets just fine on their own.

On that note, they might be used to ignite eg 10" shells or larger in a display; they are used (often with double match and wiring) on some really big parts of the biggest displays - compared to which most amateur rockets are small stuff.


If I may digress, the cheap ones make a crack! which leads me to believe they detonate the part closest to the wire which then blows the middle layer out as burning stuff (the outer layer is plastic waterproofing or the like). Quiet ones are available but are more expensive.

Sadly I hear ematches are not easily available in some other places than the UK.

HTH,

Peter Fairbrother

On 05/01/2021 21:00, Dr Edward Jones wrote:

Pretty sure Estes rates their igniters, but I seek a broader base of do-it-yourselfers' wise advice. In my dreams, an igniter will NO-fire with a LED test circuit powered by a hearing aid or watch battery, yet certainly fire with an old-fashion Western Electric 6-vdc Blue-Bell dry cell. I'm hoping to sure-fire ignite at 9-vdc by "small radio cell." What's common practice with small battery ignition, even with a relay?

Thanks again

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, 13:12 Dr Edward Jones <RocketPioneer@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:RocketPioneer@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Thanks. Want to know what's commonly in practice among thinking
    amateurs with commonly used batteries other than car batteries.

    On 1/5/21, George Herbert <george.herbert@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:george.herbert@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
     > Those would include role (NASA/Space?  Military?  Amateur?), both
    arbitrary
     > (static electricity, accidental connection to wall currents etc)
    and system
     > specific failure modes that need tolerating.
     >
     > For amateur stuff, with igniters typically not shipped installed &
     > disconnected leads until firing, no fire on typical high end static
     > discharge is probably good enough.
     >
     > There are military and NASA specs published if you need to refer
    to them.
     >
     > -George
     >
     > Sent from my iPhone
     >
     >> On Jan 5, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Dr Edward Jones
    <RocketPioneer@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:RocketPioneer@xxxxxxxxx>>
     >> wrote:
     >>
     >> Are there 'best practices' or usual standards for NO-fire and
     >> SURE-fire power for amateur solid rockets? I'm developing some
     >> atypical bridgewires. Thanks.
     >>
     >> Edward in Socorro
     >>
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